No, I don't want to breed with them, I just would like to see some survivor pics so that I can clamp the turndown tailpipes in the right location on my duster. I have dougs headers, and accurate exhaust so I need to determine the proper place to clamp the tailpipe before I join the two. Is it clamped before or after the bend that begins the turndown sequence? A pic would make it clear to me. To clarify, the tailpipe comes out of the muffler, goes over the rear end, then it has a long straight segment. At the end of this segment it has a bend up, a short straight length, and then terminates in a bend down. Not sure if the clamp goes before the first bend, in the bend itself, or on the short straight upsweep piece? I have been surfing around and I just cant seem to find any pics that show this. I am starting to feel a bit feeble in my sleuthing abilities as well as my narrative skills in trying to explain such a simple concept! Thank you much.