NGC controller, Eagle engine and 727 combo PCM question.

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Dragonbat13

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I have searched this to no end. Does anybody know, or have a good resource, for the correct information about this combo:

It will be an eagle long block. VVT locked out, MDS deleted. Use a truck Bell crank with a kickdown cable. The crank reluctor wheel will be swapped to one for an NGC controller (32 tooth). I own HP tuners. I will build a harness somehow. Its something I can handle. This will be put in an A body.

What years NGC controllers will work, that don't costs over 200? I see them for 100-150 on eBay and might be able to get one cheaper from a local yard. I am not wanting to spend much more because by the time you start adding things up there are better aftermarket options out there.

DIYhemi.com used to be a good source but I think they have eliminated some info on their site.

I just would like to know if the NGC is feasible enough an idea to put the effort into researching.

Thank you.
 
The NGC can run the Eagle crank tone ring as far as I understand it. I talked to Hot Wire and they said you just have to run the correct sensor.

And I think the NGC was used on the truck until ‘13 or so.

I would look for a Challenger 6M PCM so you can get one without pins for the green plug. The NGC was used until ‘10.

You didn’t mention what intake, guessing not a 6.4 intake. If you did I would stick to the truck PCM as I don’t think the car PCM’s can control the SRV function.
 
I know the 2010 will run the eagle. Unless it falls in my lap, the intake isn't going to be an SRV intake.

I haven't read anywhere where somebody actually did just a sensor swap. Not saying it won't work. And if I have to I'll try.

One of the nice things about the 2004 is the lack of canbus. It runs the older parallel serial bus.

For what I plan on doing this ECM will suffice. I'll keep this thread updated.

One option is to use the eagle rods and 0istons with a pre eagle block and crank. It will need a rebalance but hopefully it won't costs too much. That would get rid of the VVT and solve the wheel issue for sure.
 
I will look up some supporting info tomorrow on the sensor. To be clear, it isn’t so much a sensor swap as it is matching the sensor to the PCM. And since the early Eagle motors were run originally by an NGC, it is a direct fit. The only “swap” is can the NGC read the later 58T tone ring used on the Eagle motors, which I am saying it can if the matching sensor is used.

Might look into that ‘04 PCM a little more. Pretty sure they can’t be tuned.
 
Its the 03 that HP tuners doesn't support. The 04 is limited on how much cam it can handle, but I'm not going to be using anything too crazy in it.

One user on the HP tuners forum had the comp 268 cam on an 04 ngc. He said that it gives the idle speed some fits but it's still doable. I won't be going that big on the cam. I doubt it will be much more that an RT Manual cam.

I was not aware the early ngc can run a 58 tooth. There's actually and ngc3 an ngc4 and a few others. But I'm not very informed on that stuff.

The 2010 ngc for the eagle has a 58T and uses the sensor for the eagles. It also does the intake runner if it's a truck PCM. The eagle never had a 32 tooth. They changed the ngc to fit the eagle in 2010. I don't think an earlier PCM can be reflashed to eagle specs due to hardware limitations.

A 32t tonewheel will bolt onto an eagle crank. So that and a locked out cam, or the Blackbird upper cam gear for the eagle should allow me to use what I have.

I don't have very much tied up in this motor. I'm trying to avoid spending money except where necessary to get a running car. That's the reasoning behind the 04 comp. I doubt I'll be using anything that will get me over 450 HP.

Being sick all weekend shut my searching down for parts. Hopefully next weekend will work out a bit better.
 
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