NOT a very good sign for the value of mopar muscle cars

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  1. barbee6043

    barbee6043 barbee 6043 FABO Gold Member

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    Yep, Mopars have usually been the red headed step child of the old collector car world! I had a 71 Charger Rt perfect shape in about '88. Mopar guys asked WHY!!???? They said: "Sell that dang thing and get a 70 Cuda"!!!! ha Even back in the 90's , 340 A bodies were not considerd as desirable by many!
    Cars come and go. Prices go up and go down. Cycles. Some times in history, Mopars actually sold better than Chevelles and Stangs! So is life!
     
  2. Dartswinger70

    Dartswinger70 Only thing I ever bought new was a Fender Strat

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    Another thing i remember from the start was you had to know other Mopar guys for parts etc. and general info. That hasn't changed much:)

    I remember a guy who was all big block, so i started playing around with the small blocks. He would call from time to time "hey you want a 360?".. "hey come and get this 318 out of my garage..." :) usually for free or real cheap too. Now its almost like 318s are worth more than the gas to go pick them up.:)
     
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    • barbee6043

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      The value of networking is huge. Always has been especially before the net! I have a cool 64 Savoy project due to the fact of a guy I met on FBBO. Like Dartswinger70 says, "IF you need Mopar parts and info, Mopar guys are the source and where you must go"! It has not changed in decades and FABO and FBBO, etc is a big part of the brotherhood.
       
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      • harrisonm

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        Sorry. I have to disagree. If you really think about it, I believe that most of the cars belonging to FABO members are restomods. It REALLY depends on how you define restomod, and I think there are probably a LOT of ideas on that. How far can you stray from a textbook factory restoration before it becomes a restomod? I enjoy the perfect restorations with the 'right' bolts, clips, etc. but I really like restomods. Technically, my car is one. Altering a car to what you want as opposed to how it came from the factory is 'cool.
         
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        • abodyjoe

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          i agree.. restomod is a pretty vague term.. so many cars can fall under that description.. not all "restomods" have 24" wheels and crazy modern interiors... hell you can have a modern driveline and a/c in a relatively stock looking car and still fall under that description in my opinion..
           
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          • mopowers

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            Isn't the term "restomod" an oxymoron? To me, the terms "restored" and "modified" are complete opposites.
             
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            • AAndrews

              AAndrews MOPAR .. Move Over, Plymouth Approaching Rapidly!

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              I think it came from having the exterior and interior restored to look stock, (restored to factory specs) but the powertrain was modified to use more modern components.
               
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              • barbee6043

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                But like anything, the people making big $$ out of it, take it to extremes to justify their costs! How many resto mods you sell at BJ do not have a full blown modern interior. At least the high dollar sells do. I have no issue with any of it, people need to build what they like!
                I guess dropping a 72 440 in my 64 Savoy that was originally a 64 slant, is resto mod!? ha I will get new 76 Jeep seats that look for all the world like A100 seats but are new and cost $135 ea on sale, with free shipping! ha If someone owns it after me, make it what they like! Just do me a favor, and don't add a GPS to the dash!! Buy a road map and learn to read it!!
                 
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                • Ceedawg

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                  The market is right up my alley, bought a 66 Belvedere no motor-trans-rear, was a Hemi 4speed. I figured a 440 driver but got bashed for not putting a Hemi back in, we’ll after many thousands of dollars it’s going back right. BUT will still be a driver and I was worried about resale (maybe) down the road, fells good now that the market is going this way now and I’ll make changes the way I like without worrying about the value.
                   
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                  • RON REAGLE

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                    I've had a "restomod", I've had the numbers matching "correct" car. The restomod was more fun and I didn't have to worry about changing anything to improve the car without hurting the value. The numbers car HAD to stay "correct" to keep the value up. I sold it and not Sorry. The "new" car is going to be upgraded everywhere I can afford and it's going to be a blast to drive!!!
                     
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                    • adriver

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                      While I don't disagree.
                      Well, technically most OE cars are not even restored. I'm saying they don't duplicate the flaws and shoddy assembly that said car came with "day one" . And the experts don't agree on some things. It's trying to catch the wind. Or simply breaking wind.
                      To put another it another way.

                      FOUND!
                      Another one of the 11 1971 Hemi Cuda convertibles has been found under a bed of a brothel in Salt Lake City.
                      No one is quite sure how it got there. But Mopar experts from around the country have verified it and after a complete concourse restoration it is sure to be featured in the “official” publications..
                      Noted authority Gail Gopher has inspected the car and suggested the use of only NOS parts. "I can absolutely assure all that this car is the real thing" he said.The restoration is scheduled to begin as soon as a suitable doner car is located.Also there is talk of launching a new website:
                      “for1971HemiCudaconvertableownersonly.com” which is expected to have as many as 11 registered users.

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                      • barbee6043

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                        Years back I restored more than a few "desirable" cars to perfect nut/bolt deals, IF I drove it any and enjoyed it before selling, the buyer would always say, it has a gravel peck, or whatever and it ain't perfect and therefore they have to spend $ for this or that. So I stopped making them perfect, drove them till I wanted to let someone else enjoy it and make it as they wanted. No more v code or M code this and that, just ole 383 69 Roadrunners that they made what 85,000 of! Now a 69 RR POS is $6000 for a complete turd! SO no more of that either!
                        Whats in the yard now? A 64 slant savoy that will be a BB 4 speed driver,....... two early B (62 Dart 330 and 64 poly Bel.) body MORE doors!! The more doors? They will be drivers ( one already is) and no one will give me what I spent on an 18 ga sheet of patch steel plus my primer and paint!!!! Will they be perfect? NO! Do I give a chit!? No! Do I like them? Yes.... ha
                         
                      • Dartswinger70

                        Dartswinger70 Only thing I ever bought new was a Fender Strat

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                        people want them but they doint want to pay. Plus there are the "flippers" Like the guy who watches American pickers and comes by to tell you what your car is worth as if you don't know..then they'll say "I have to make something on it..." Oh really? you have top make something on my car? get outta here... I have contemplated kicking the bucket with all my tools, parts and cars, sitting at the house, my kid can sell it for pennies on the dollar:)
                         
                      • LO23M8B

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                        My girl rides in my 71 Charger. But the greatest chick magnet I've ever owned was a 69 SS 396 Chevelle Convertible Marina Blue, White strips, white interior, and a white top. I had to keep a stick to knock them off. lol
                         
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                          Ya my kids are going to have a lot of fun with a big dumpster.
                           
                        • AAndrews

                          AAndrews MOPAR .. Move Over, Plymouth Approaching Rapidly!

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                          This!!!!
                           
                        • harrisonm

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                          The cars that get six figures are the investment grade cars all original matching numbers cars with low mileage. A car that has been totally restored but does not have matching numbers engine, trans, axles, radiator mount, trunk etc. $73K is the correct price. Matching numbers means all components of the car have the same numbers not just the engine. There is a HUGE difference in Quality and Price for an investment grade car than a 100% restored car. You can't go by Barrett Jackson alone. check out the finished prices of Mecum Kissimmee. And you will see investment grade and lower class Mopars. Go to Haggerty Insurance and check out the valuation tool they have for car values. The prices for Mopars are where they belong.
                           
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                          - Not a problem, Original cars will always be harder to come by and usually get used very little if at all - they were causing any condition of a muscle car the risk of becoming over priced because of BJ/Mecum etc. A good resto-mod is safer, drivable to the extent that you are risking a rare car - they will settle in @ a reasonable price
                           
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                          I've been around for 8 decades and have seen classic and collector car prices go through many cycles and trends. In the end, buying a car for an investment is a loosing game! We spend a bunch of hours and money on our cars because we love doing it. Rarely, we will get the money and sweat we've put into them unless you are a commercial builder. A number of the resto-mods sold at BJ and Mecums sold for far less than what the builder had in them. Those resto-mods prices will fall some time in the future just like numbers cars.
                           
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                          • LO23M8B

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                            That is correct all parts are number matching that is what the #1 condition is priced at and in perfect cond. supper low miles or a restored car with all the correct number matching parts. Even a #2 car should have all the correct parts. 99% of cars out there are at best a #3 car.
                             
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                            If you want a retomod just buy a late model car. A nice srt8 will do the job.
                             
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                              Yeah these cars aren't really panty droppers anymore. More like old man depends droppers.
                               
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                              Sadly I see so many A bodies in garages covered in crap just wasting away. Yet the owners won't part with them or parts. It seems like they have had them for years but are now not able to either physically work on them, or afford to work on them, but won't part ways. My brother has a 68 formula s cuda just wasting away. It needs a lot of work but is original. A few other folks I've bought parts from are the same. Car wasting away in the garage.
                               
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