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srduster340

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Here's the specifics. Trick Flow heads & Intake or Victor 340, 11-11:5.1 compression, .251/.259, .597/.600 on a 108+4 Howards recommended solid roller cam. Here's my question, are custom pistons that mimic the combustion chamber worth the extra cost over "off the shelf" pistons on a typical stroker small block? Are they considered dome or dish pistons? Thought I'd ask here before I reach out to JE, Diamond, Wiseco, etc.
 
Here's the specifics. Trick Flow heads & Intake or Victor 340, 11-11:5.1 compression, .251/.259, .597/.600 on a 108+4 Howards recommended solid roller cam. Here's my question, are custom pistons that mimic the combustion chamber worth the extra cost over "off the shelf" pistons on a typical stroker small block? Are they considered dome or dish pistons? Thought I'd ask here before I reach out to JE, Diamond, Wiseco, etc.
At 11.5:1 compression, what are you trying to achieve by taking on the expenditure of a custom piston.

Look around the forum and see what members are squeezing out of their 408's with decent heads. Bloomers... Trick Flow ect...

If you were pushing the set up towards 13:1 I can see the yield matching the expenditure.
 
One 13cc dish vs another?
How much more power would the “special” dish have to make to justify the added expense?
And how would you know it was actually better in your combo?
 
Here's the specifics. Trick Flow heads & Intake or Victor 340, 11-11:5.1 compression, .251/.259, .597/.600 on a 108+4 Howards recommended solid roller cam. Here's my question, are custom pistons that mimic the combustion chamber worth the extra cost over "off the shelf" pistons on a typical stroker small block? Are they considered dome or dish pistons? Thought I'd ask here before I reach out to JE, Diamond, Wiseco, etc.
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One 13cc dish vs another?
How much more power would the “special” dish have to make to justify the added expense?
And how would you know it was actually better in your combo?
Thing is I won't know. Can't afford to test pistons shape to verify. Off the shelf it is.
 
At 11.5:1 compression, what are you trying to achieve by taking on the expenditure of a custom piston.

Look around the forum and see what members are squeezing out of their 408's with decent heads. Bloomers... Trick Flow ect...

If you were pushing the set up towards 13:1 I can see the yield matching the expenditure.
Your last statement makes total sense. I'm probably overthinking everything.
 
Your last statement makes total sense. I'm probably overthinking everything.
Nothing wrong with inquiring about other members experiences.

I like the cam and compression combination you have as is. Hopefully you can get a 29x10 under your car to take advantage of the torque.
 
That's why I asked here. You guys know more than I do.
That's a stretch, at least for me. What I DO know is, it wouldn't be worth it for ME. Now, maybe racing for points and money...maybe. But I'd need to see firm proof on a dyno and the difference would need to be a lot. While I believe some improvement is possible, that's splittin hairs in my book. lol
 
Nothing wrong with inquiring about other members experiences.

I like the cam and compression combination you have as is. Hopefully you can get a 29x10 under your car to take advantage of the to

That's a stretch, at least for me. What I DO know is, it wouldn't be worth it for ME. Now, maybe racing for points and money...maybe. But I'd need to see firm proof on a dyno and the difference would need to be a lot. While I believe some improvement is possible, that's splittin hairs in my book. lol
I watch lots of videos of engine builders whom I think know what they're talking about based on their documented experience. Ford guy Ben Alameda suggests running pistons that mimic the combustion chamber. A local Mopar racer who dynoed my engine had custom pistons made for a 440" small block years ago. I just want to make the best of my engine when I re do it. Probably not worth it for me either.
 
I watch lots of videos of engine builders whom I think know what they're talking about based on their documented experience. Ford guy Ben Alameda suggests running pistons that mimic the combustion chamber. A local Mopar racer who dynoed my engine had custom pistons made for a 440" small block years ago. I just want to make the best of my engine when I re do it. Probably not worth it for me either.
There is validity in your theory.

Look at RYR, or The Woods Bros. Ernie Elliott, ect. Yet, most of us are not on that level, nor do we have the rotating assemblies that could live under those conditions. Especially with the 4" arm. Maximum midrange with a little pop around 5500-6200.
 
I want to run a flat top but there's none with the correct volume to get the compression I want.
Add 10* of duration. Your not going to notice the difference on the bottom end with the 4" arm.

FWIW, call Jim at Racer Brown, Or Schneider Cams and discuss your desired outcome and the engine components with flat tops. Most likely, they will not have roller cores in stock, but they know what works!

Howards has a slightly different theory with fast ramps and shorter duration.

Type in "Crower 31409" in the forum search engine. Most run it with flat tops on pump gas.
 
I watch lots of videos of engine builders whom I think know what they're talking about based on their documented experience. Ford guy Ben Alameda suggests running pistons that mimic the combustion chamber. A local Mopar racer who dynoed my engine had custom pistons made for a 440" small block years ago. I just want to make the best of my engine when I re do it. Probably not worth it for me either.
Yeah that Ford guy brought it up because Ford found some good gains with the Cleveland engine R&D. The 1971 BOSS 351 had 11.3:1 compression using the closed chamber Cleveland head with pistons that had exact domes that fit the closed chamber head perfectly. Had Ford not stupidly used retarded camshaft timing, and had they introduced it five years prior, that engine couldda been a Hemi killer.
 
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