PPGs envirobase (waterbase) paint

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  1. cawley

    cawley 383 Bcuda

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    Anyone ever spray it ? Thinking of switching. All i do is classic & antique cars. Just wandering how it matches the old colors.
     
  2. Bodyperson

    Bodyperson Pedal to the metal FABO Gold Member

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    Nope. I'm wondering why you are thinking of changing? It's better at matching modern paint cause thats what the factories use.
     
  3. cawley

    cawley 383 Bcuda

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    Well i use to do my body & paint at my dad out in the middle of no where. No body cared what you did. Dad passed away i n 17 & bought a house a few miles from town & i have neighbors. They are not to close but all it would take is 1 snitch & would have DEP at my door. I was told 1 way around it is waterbase paint. I have heard good things about PPGs envirobase.
     
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    Bodyperson Pedal to the metal FABO Gold Member

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    Still gotta pound the clear. Thats the stinky part. I've heard good things about it too. You need lots of airflow. I'm sure the colors are as good as ever. Some formulas are just gone. Gotta use the prophet for formulas or call PPG if they happen to have a reading,
     
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    • cawley

      cawley 383 Bcuda

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      yea the clear is the worst part. Now i just read that PPG came out with a clear to go along with the envirobase. Have to do more research. Ill have to start doing my painting at night. lol I got the right exhaust & intake filters so no over spray. Just have to deal with the smell. I usually spray the base one day then the clear the next. My back cant take a full paint job any more. lol
       
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      • Bodyperson

        Bodyperson Pedal to the metal FABO Gold Member

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        I gotta time my painting too. If you filter it and can get it up in the air with a stack, you are doing as good as anybody else.
         
      • cawley

        cawley 383 Bcuda

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        I got on DEPs website & got the exhaust filters they recommend. They do a really good job. What i just did is i went & bought one of those cheap garage tents & put the one end at my exhaust fan. All i store in it is some old lumber. I would like to find a way to stand out side & see how much you really do smell the fumes & how fare.
         
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        Getting it UP is the ticket. Thats why you see the big stacks coming from commercial spray booths.
         
      • Scamp Rhonda

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        When I used to paint locomotives in the late 80s we tried water based paint for a short while. From what I can remember it was a very hard finish when it cured and we didn't use a clear coat on it. The big problem for us was cleaning the equipment. We used a pressure pot for painting the loco's and with the long hose used for carrying the paint it made it really hard for clean up when switching back and forth between water base and polyurethane paints. Water and polyurethane just don't mix, lol. I do remember we just went back to base coat, clear coat polyurethanes. It was just simpler.
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        • Bodyperson

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          In the automotive world, cawley IS referring to a base coat clearcoat system. It is just the base coat the automotive industry is using for the water born paint.
           
        • Kendog 170

          Kendog 170 Let the boy go !

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          My buddy has been a bodyman now for 40 years. I mentored him and worked with him around 20 years before I got out. He does beautiful work .He loves the PPG Water base. I am stuck in old school mode lol.
           
        • cawley

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          Was talking to a friend who is a body & paint teacher at a local pentech school. The school uses the enviorbase. He said eventually PA. is going to become another CA.
           
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          • rumblefish360

            rumblefish360 So close, yet so far away FABO Gold Member

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            For the environment, it’s a good move. It kind of stinks for us as an end user of (various) products, but our grand kids and grand kids, grand kids will thank us.
             
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              I sprayed it every day for a few years. It is basically latex. Can sand it when it is flashed. You need a blower to shear the water out. Humid environments make it difficult to flash the water out. All of the toners are suspended and require no agitation. The pearls are liquid. Requires a very specific way to spray it with pressure drop and drop coat for metallic orientation. High flow fittings in your guns and smaller micron pps cups. Technically need a din 4 to reduce it due to humidity changes. Color matches were not that great. Prep changes due to 50% reduction in mil thickness. Sata 1.25 wsb tip required. Stainless guns required. No flop adjuster in water like solvent. I personally see no benefit to a home user switching to water base.
               
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              • MoparMike1974

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                All paint shops around here are required to use it. The green swinger you see in my avatar is water bourne paint. I asked my paint guy what he thought about it and he said there is a learning curve at first but overall he likes it. Better get used to it, just a matter of time before solvent paint is gone forever.
                 
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