The case of the too long water pump/timing cover bolts - 2nd edition

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So I have seen documented here on FABO several times the result of using too long timing cover bolts at the bottom, which results in the bolt contacting, distorting, even cracking the bottom of the front cylinder, resulting in havoc when the engine is started. I believe that there is even a sticky here that lists the correct bolt lengths for the water pump & timing cover.

This one was new to me. I friend found a 67 Belvidere 4 door in remarkable shape for sale. It originally had an LA318 that was worn out so the owner had a 360 built to go into the car. When they went to start the engine the motor locked up immediately. In frustration the owner put the car up for sale at a bargain basement price. Figuring the engine was toast my friend bought it assuming that a new engine was in order. Before giving up on it he started disassembly and when he got the timing cover off he found this cam gear:


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Here is where the too long bolt contacted the Cam timing gear locking it in place...

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and the resulting BROKEN CAM GEAR!!! I believe this happened before the attempt to start the engine simply by the pressure of the bolt on the gear.

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and the mess that was made by the timing chain jumping ship...

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Fortunately the engine only turned a little bit. A new timing chain and it fired right up! The guy that bought the car deserved his good fortune as he has help many, many Mopar folks out with their engine woes over the years.

This came in the week following a discussion with a guy that bought a 1956 Plymouth for $500. The owner warned him that the engine was toast, because when he checked it over the air cleaner was full of oil!!! Some guys have all the luck.
 
You might be able to find a replacement at Spacely Sprockets, just ask for cosmo or George.
Don't buy anything from Coswell Cogs. He patent infringes Spacely and makes an inferior product.
Wasted youth:(
 
Did the Original Owner not turn the motor over by hand? You know, to prime the motor or set the timing. Surely, it would have given a clue that something was wrong? Oh well, good for your friend!
 

Man.. That sucks! In all seriousness though that timing gear is made of very cheap material looks like cheap casting
 
On a side note ...

I'm gathering 383 parts to convert it from AC and PS to Alternator only.

I got the pulleys and bolted them on, I used the same crank pulley bolts as from the 4 groove pulley.

Got it all set and decided to crank the engine over.

It would not budge, it cranked before putting the pulleys on.

Well it turns out the bolts for a 4 groove pulley are the right length for the thicker pulley stack up.

BUT ... About an 1/8 of an inch too long.

I need 5/8" bolts vs the just under 3/4"

What were they thinking, only 1/8" clearance!
 
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