Trans seem crooked?

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Motor mounts look to be installed correctly on the back sides of the ears, moving them to the opposite side of the ears to correct the out of alignment will move it too far in the opposite direction. Now as far as the mount being the correct one for a 67 barracuda V8. I'm not sure about that. I have a set of these flat biscuit mounts for my sons 69 but they are in storage so i really cannot eyeball them to compare to whats installed on yours.

The way these cars were built back in the day was not very accurate. I installed a 74 spool mount K in my 67 notch, and dropped in a 318, and 4 speed for mocking things up. All my mounts are polyurethane so there is no give to them like rubber has. What i found was the trans was sitting about 1.5" off to the right, and not moveable at all. I loosened the nuts holding the left mount to the engine block almost all the way out then slid the trans over to line up its mount bolts to make sure nothing was under tension, and it all dropped into place. I then measured the gap between the left engine mount and the engine block mount ears on the left side, and came up with a 1/4" gap. I made steel spacers for that side mount out of 1/4" steel plate to make up the gap, and installed longer grade 8 bolts to make up the difference. My K frame was out of a granny V8 4 door car that was never wrecked, still retained its oem paint.

Loosening the rubber mount to K frame nuts on the biscuit mounts wont allow any side to side movement of the engine and trans since these mounts are slotted up and down not side to side.

When these things were built and soft factory mounts were used on the assembly line they would make the driveline fit. That would mean shoving it 1 way or another with a pry bar to get the bolts in. However forcing the trans in place and having it under constant tension will only give you another broken mount. Whichever side the trans is swung over to, you loosen to opposite side engine mount to bring it back to center, then make spacers the thickness of the gap between the mount and block ears.

In a perfect world all this will drop in place, but when it wont, you improvise. See pic below. Trans in mine was shifted over to the left 1.5" i added 1/4" spacers between engine mount and block, and it moved it 1.5" back to center on the trans end. This is by no means perfect, but is a solid solution. It takes the load off the mounts and centers the trans. I did not want to use washers to spacer it out as i think that will put added stress on the mount ears because of the smaller surface area. I made my spacers to run the length of the mount where it overlaps the engine block ears. Basically rectangles with rounded ends, and holes drilled in them.

Hope this helps you out
Matt

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Well, still no luck. Got the new trans mount in but had to use force to make stuff line up in the center, so something has to be wrong. Seems like the only thing that would make the trans off center is if the engine motor mounts were wrong, or installed wrong I guess.
When I look on line at replacement motor mounts and the brackets, I see all sorts of different ones.
Do these seem right to you guys?

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Those engine mounts look thicker than stock... Try these....

Mancini Engine Replacement Rubber Motor Mount
 
Those will drop the engine down some, and thats all well and good, however his actual problem is the trans being off to the right and not motor mount height. And if forced to be centered with a new mount it will be under tension, and eventually rip the new mount just like his current one is ripped. Doesnt solve the problem. He needs to loosen the left mount to engine bolts and nuts, center the trans and bolt it up with a new rubber mount. Then measure the gap between mount, and engine block ears on that side, and make spacers to fill that gap.
 
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Quoting Matt:

"I did not want to use washers to spacer it out as i think that will put added stress on the mount ears because of the smaller surface area. I made my spacers to run the length of the mount where it overlaps the engine block ears. Basically rectangles with rounded ends, and holes drilled in them."

I'm anal about stuff like that too and that's what I'd do, if in fact that left mount bracket is correct.
Biscuit thickness is not going fix your issue.
 
Thanks guys for all the replies and information.
Today I loosened both motor mounts and also took the two bolts out of the trans rubber mount, to the trans tail itself. I left the trans steel bracket in place though. With that all loose and the engine slightly lifted, I could push the trans tail in place and then let it go, and it stayed there. I then shimmed the driver side motor mount with just 1 washer each on the 3 blots, slightly moving that side of the engine forward. Then I tightened the trans mounts fully, and then the motor mounts.
The test I didn't do but should, is to take those 2 bolts back out of the rubber mount to trans tail and see if it shifts over again. I will tomorrow though, and if it moves over I'll have to get new motor mounts and brackets.
That would seem like an easy task since its a stock motor and I just need stock replacement parts but when I search on line, I see so many different styles of motor mounts and they all claim to work with my 273.
 
Yep by bolting the trans in first, then shimming the left mount to close the gap thats there will certainly fix the issue, and take the tension off the trans mount.

BTW your LH mount looks like it has interlocking tabs on it preventing it from ripping if you torque the engine over hard. Early LH mounts didnt have this.
 
Motor mounts look to be installed correctly on the back sides of the ears, moving them to the opposite side of the ears to correct the out of alignment will move it too far in the opposite direction. Now as far as the mount being the correct one for a 67 barracuda V8. I'm not sure about that. I have a set of these flat biscuit mounts for my sons 69 but they are in storage so i really cannot eyeball them to compare to whats installed on yours.

The way these cars were built back in the day was not very accurate. I installed a 74 spool mount K in my 67 notch, and dropped in a 318, and 4 speed for mocking things up. All my mounts are polyurethane so there is no give to them like rubber has. What i found was the trans was sitting about 1.5" off to the right, and not moveable at all. I loosened the nuts holding the left mount to the engine block almost all the way out then slid the trans over to line up its mount bolts to make sure nothing was under tension, and it all dropped into place. I then measured the gap between the left engine mount and the engine block mount ears on the left side, and came up with a 1/4" gap. I made steel spacers for that side mount out of 1/4" steel plate to make up the gap, and installed longer grade 8 bolts to make up the difference. My K frame was out of a granny V8 4 door car that was never wrecked, still retained its oem paint.

Loosening the rubber mount to K frame nuts on the biscuit mounts wont allow any side to side movement of the engine and trans since these mounts are slotted up and down not side to side.

When these things were built and soft factory mounts were used on the assembly line they would make the driveline fit. That would mean shoving it 1 way or another with a pry bar to get the bolts in. However forcing the trans in place and having it under constant tension will only give you another broken mount. Whichever side the trans is swung over to is the side you loosen to bring it back to center, then make spacers the thickness of the gap between the mount and block ears.

In a perfect world all this will drop in place, but when it wont, you improvise. See pic below. Trans in mine was shifted over to the left 1.5" i added 1/4" spacers between engine mount and block, and it moved it 1.5" back to center on the trans end. This is by no means perfect, but is a solid solution. It takes the load off the mounts and centers the trans. I did not want to use washers to spacer it out as i think that will put added stress on the mount ears because of the smaller surface area. I made my spacers to run the length of the mount where it overlaps the engine block ears. Basically rectangles with rounded ends, and holes drilled in them.

Hope this helps you out
Matt

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Thanks for this write up. I'll be going this route if thats what it takes to get it right.
 
Yep by bolting the trans in first, then shimming the left mount to close the gap thats there will certainly fix the issue, and take the tension off the trans mount.

BTW your LH mount looks like it has interlocking tabs on it preventing it from ripping if you torque the engine over hard. Early LH mounts didnt have this.
Yes, they both have those interlocking tabs. When I look for replacement mounts, the stock ones don't seem to have that.
I guess I should replace all that to make it stock.
It would be great to see a pic of what the factory put in place but maybe just shimming the left mount will fix it and I'll call it done. Plenty more tasks to finish for sure!
 
Glad to help. I would however bolt up the transmission mount tight and the right hand motor mount tight first, then jack the weight off the engine, loosen the bolts that hold the left hand mount to the engine and see how much of a gap you really have. The spool mount setup i used on my 67 is engine and transmission mounts. The trans was shifted an inch and a half to the right. It took a quarter inch of shimming on the left mount to square it back up. If yours was pushed over to the right about that far, i doubt something as thin as a washer as a spacer moved it over enough. It might still be under tension.
 
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Glad to help. I would however bolt up the transmission mount tight and the right hand motor mount tight first, then jack the weight off the engine, loosen the bolts that hold the left hand mount to the engine and see how much of a gap you really have. The spool mount setup i used on my 67 is engine and transmission mounts. The trans was shifted an inch and a half to the right. It took a quarter inch of shimming on the left mount to square it back up. If yours was pushed over to the right about that far, i doubt something as thin as a washer as a spacer moved it over enough. It might still be under tension.
I just put it back on the lift and took a look. Once I took the 2 trans bolts out and then shook the tail around a bit to help it settle, it only moved about 1/16 of an inch, enough to not allow the bolts to go back in without moving the tail over a bit. Maybe with driving it may get worse but I think for now I'll give it a go and see how it drives once I get the interior back in. If it drives ok, I'll still keep my eye on the rubber mount and make sure it stays in good shape.
Thanks!
 
Maybe thats all it needed then. I am forgetting there is more give to rubber mounts too. My.poly ones theres no give at all. It ended up taking 1/4" to make it right.
 
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