Vin and fendertag decoder

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  1. 4spdragtop

    4spdragtop CONGRATS NORTH AMERICA! FABO Gold Member

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    Would be great if we had a fendertag decoder here. In my opinion why should be leave this site for that info?
    Maybe give out free gold membership to the maker/designer?
    The amount of experience and info here is staggering. May as well streamline and utilize it.
    People leave frequently for #'s research of one form or another which seems foolish to me. Just my opinion.
     
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    • 69CoronetRT

      69CoronetRT Well-Known Member

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      There's a reason 'good' decoders don't already exist.

      What was coded, when it was coded and even where it was coded changes year to year, plant to plant and even within the model year. An accurate decoders would have to be done for every plant for every year.

      It's is almost impossible to account for tag nuances via an online decoder that lacks if/then as well as and/or logical functions as well as intelligent experience.

      What may be correct for an 'early' car may be incorrect for a 'late' car. Online decoders do not account for the SPD time function of coding.

      What applies at one plant may not apply at another plant. On line decoders need to be able to account for this and don't. Different plants have different layouts.

      Most decoders are designed to simply return info already listed in the data base. If you have Garbage in you get garbage out. Weird coding quirks exist that would be difficult for a non-intelegent entity to determine, decode and explain.

      Online decoders can't spot bad/fake tags

      So while more cumbersome and time consuming, personal decodes are still the most complete and accurate.
       
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      4spdragtop CONGRATS NORTH AMERICA! FABO Gold Member

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      I know it would be a big undertaking, but there are some out there. Dodgecharger.org had a great one for 67, as they are unique, but arent they all? Lol
      Anyway that site no longer has it and the format has changed on the site itself.
       
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      69CoronetRT Well-Known Member

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      Any truly accurate and worthwhile decoder would require someone with detailed knowledge and experience in a particular plant for a particular year and the ability to write code for a decoder.
       
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      • Joeychgo

        Joeychgo FABO Administrator Staff Member

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        Huge - and the second I do it here, FBBO is gonna want one too.... Its not just about the work, but finding all the info...
         
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        • cchrishefish

          cchrishefish Well-Known Member

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          I am shopping for a new Mopar and I will be needing a decoder.
           
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          69CoronetRT Well-Known Member

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          AND FCBO
          AND FEBO
          AND FMJBO

          and..and..and.

          Accurately covering all years and codes would be a huge undertaking. That's why people don't do it and they aren't available. Plus, posting accurate info helps bad tag makes make better fakes. Keep 'em stupid so we can spot the bogus tags.
           
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          • 4spdragtop

            4spdragtop CONGRATS NORTH AMERICA! FABO Gold Member

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            What's to lose? See if someone here(or a couple members) is willing to take it on.
            Oh Joe at Dodgecharger.org fixed his.
            test-page – DodgeCharger.org
             
          • toolmanmike

            toolmanmike Moderator Staff Member FABO Gold Member

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            I have the books from 62-80 and let me tell you, it's a goat screw figuring it out. Ma Mopar didn't do us any favors. VIN's are fairly simple. Fender tags and build sheets are quite difficult in places.

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            • 69CoronetRT

              69CoronetRT Well-Known Member

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              Yes... and some people spend an inordinate amount of their lives continuing to research all the nuances and document 'how things were done' with tags and BS.

              GG's books are still the definitive source in the hobby to start decoding, yet even they are incomplete or not always accurate.
               
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              • 69CoronetRT

                69CoronetRT Well-Known Member

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                Online decoders lack the necessary if/then as well as either/or logic to prevent errors. They are in = out decoders i.e. pre programmed to respond to an input whether that output is logical or not (see below for engine and transmission as well as SPD)

                Make and model specific decoders such as the Charger decoders can be useful IF the make and model are only produced at one plant. Yet, if they are valid for only one make or model, they only serve only a narrow purpose. The Charger decoder may or may not be valid for A, C or other B bodies therefore limited in application. Meaning, it may not be useful to an owner of a Satellite produced at Lynch Road.

                Online decoders struggle with the differences in coding between various plants.


                Car line DODGE Charger
                Price class Premium
                Body type 2 door sports hardtop
                Production date February 31, 1967
                Shipping order 12345
                Engine 426 2x4bbl 8cyl 425hp hemi head RB [377/383]
                Transmission Transmission-3speed manual column shift [391]
                 
              • TheGrateRonzini

                TheGrateRonzini FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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                Feb 31 lol
                 
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                • Dartnut

                  Dartnut Don't hate me because i'm beautiful

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                  That is the SCHEDULED production date.
                  The actual build date was April 1, 1967.
                   
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