Your take on a potential trade.

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  1. S.Rodney

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    Hi everyone,

    I've been offered something quite unusual. My 74 Dart Hang 10 is currently at my local performance shop to install TTI Exhaust and redo the brakes. And, surprisingly, there's another Dart Sport 74 in that garage... and it's mint !

    The owner (not the original owner) of that car only wants to drive it casually and his current engine is "too wild" for him. So, when he saw my car in the garage's parking, he asked the mechanic to contact me with his offer... Trade engines. My matching number 318 (the original engine) against his modded unknown displacement engine.

    My original plan was to keep the 318 and ramp up compression, convert to 4 bbl... so I'd still have the original engine but at 350+ hp.

    This offer, I'm not sure but I'd be interested to know what's your take on the offer.

    So, my 318 is bone stock and very rusted.
    His engine is "too wild" for him so I'm thinking either 340 or 360 modded. I haven't seen it yet.

    Is "matching number" that important ?
    Am I too careful since I don't know how beaten that engine is (maybe previous owner beat the hell out of it) ?
    Am I passing an excellent opportunity at having a freaking 340 or 360 for free ?

    I wanna make a sound choice.

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    • toolmanmike

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      Nope I wouldn't. Your hang 10 is worth more with the original engine. You have that going for you.
       
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      • jazak5

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        really, a FORD MAVERICK GRABBER HOOD SCOOP !? keep the hang 10
         
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          I'd keep your original engine, buy a decent running stock 318 and make the trade! 65'
           
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            Car values are always better if it has original drivetrain. Your mechanic can check out this dudes engine for you and let you know if its in decent shape. If it is a good engine, figure up what it would cost you to fix up your 318 the way you want, maybe add a couple hundred to that number, and offer the guy that amount just for his engine. See if he goes for it. Then you'd still have your orignial plus a hot rod one.
             
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              If the engine is decent I’d make the trade. I dont think there is a huge market willing to pay for a number matching Hang10
               
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              • toolmanmike

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                I don't agree. Hang 10's may not be worth what a 70 340 4 speed Duster is but a original or restored car with original drivetrain has value. Don't break up a matched set. If I was closer I would find a used teen, spruce it up and swap the thing out for the guy.
                 
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                • Alaskan_TA

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                  Hang 10s are awesome. I would keep the original engine too.
                   
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                  • S.Rodney

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                    No intention on selling the car... I guess the only trade I'd be willing to do (car for car) would be for a 68 charger... and there's no chance in hell ever happening (caus who'd trade his charger for a dart ?)
                     
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                    And you don't know the condition of that engine... it could be on the edge of serious problems. The representation of 'too wild' may simply not be true.
                     
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                      Exactly. One mans definition of wild may be my definition of milquetoast. Or the other way round. Plus, if the dude doesn't have some current reciepts for the engine, I'd be leery.

                      BTW, I would most likely get a used 318 and modify that. They are only original once. I wouldn't modify the numbers matching 318. Cores are too damn cheap.
                       
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                      • Jadaharabi

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                        Keep your original numbers matching engine.
                        I would not buy another engine to trade for an unknown engine. I would buy another engine to replace your original Engine with and not even bother with that other dude.

                        Just my humble opinion which I highly value.
                         
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                        • meathead66

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                          Not too many original Hang 10's left out there. Not saying they're worth big bucks either; however saying that they are real "head
                          turners" though. Mine still draws a crowd. I wouldn't change it but its your car do what you want

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                          • nm9stheham

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                            Learned this lesson in my 1st car buy... '65 GTO convertible. The seller said that the cops had been after him so he didn't want to ride with us outside the neighborhood. So we putted around in 1st and 2nd gear and things ran fine. When we got out on the highway after exchanging $$, put it in 4th, backed off the gas at the first traffic light, and the trans popped right out of gear. The seller was hiding the fact that the 3-4 slider keepers were worn out. So you just never know what people may be hiding.

                            (But $80 stripping out a dead '64 GTO solved our issues...)
                             
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                            • S.Rodney

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                              I'm pretty sure the Yellow Dart owner has no ill intent for this trade. For him it's a low buck solution to get a working stock 318 in his car.

                              I wanna thank everyone for your advice, it's very appreciated.

                              I made my mind, I'll keep the 318 and go with my intended plan: Change the heads, Camshaft and Pistons to get better compression and keep it's original appearance as much as I can (i.e. blue with the current valve covers and EGR system)

                              Thanks again !
                               
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                                I personally would only consider buying a used built engine if I could drive the car it's in first, but even then it's still your original 318 you have. I would totally find a running stock 318 and trade that to him instead if his engine was worth it.
                                 
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                                • RustyRatRod

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                                  I too don't think there's a huge market for original Hang 10s. BUT, if I had the money, I would have one. I have always liked them. That said. Your car is complete and original. I think you'd be foolish to let the original engine go. No offense.
                                   
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                                    Depends if yours is restorerable or not
                                    if not sounds like a deal
                                     
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                                    I like keeping your original engine, who knows when the market ofr hang tens will skyrocket anyway!! No seriously, I would trade IF I could drive the piss out of his, AND I would want to know if and when and what was done to his engine!!!!!!!
                                     
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                                    I would drive his car first, run a compression test and trade if all is well.

                                    Numbers matching dont mean much in a 74 dart.... it's not a vette or hemi cuda and you dont plan on selling any way so why not?
                                     
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                                      I agree for today, but know one ever thought the market for F bodies would ever move, well it is. Back in the 80's, 90's NO ONE would look twice at a slant or 318 car but times change. I could sell a 318 '70 challenger vert if in good condition ( cheap)

                                      If his engine is god, best route is keep your # engine, and go find him a god running stock one.
                                       
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                                        Yep. This is 100% true. I never thought that what we were paying 8-9-1000 dollars for stuff back then is worth what it is now. My friends and I stopped adding up all the cool stuff we had over the years and didn't keep. Just dumb dumb dumb.

                                        It's only original once. It's only numbers matching once.
                                         
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                                        Back in the early 90's ( after the market crashed the first time) these cars were my business, I had "my" cars that were separate. I wound up selling all my cars/parts, shop, and started bak with a couple of 'my" cars.... after 6- years, and got down to just hobby cars.
                                        The market is interesting even if I am not a player. I see tri 5 chevies down, as well as all collector cars, but I see it this way. Sort of like how the model T went, people that relate simply die off or get a condo and a wheelchair. (motorized maybe?)..
                                        The people that relate and want a tri 5 chevy is decreasing. I graduated HS in way back 66. Back in small town rural SW Ga in 66 there was a 66 396 chevelle, 66 galaxie 500 390, 66 stang 6 cyl, 65 cuda, 65 Impala 427 ( profssional shine runner) etc. and a kid moved into town a yr older than me with a 55 chevy hotrod. To me the coolest car in town! But in '66 the tri 5's were just old used cars,.... and back then they were 11 years away from new... point is, most of the guys that relate to them are 5-10 older than me at age 70!!!!! Wow, how did I ever survive to this age and why is it I still think I am 45!????????
                                        I have a 79 volare, Never had any interest before and 20 yrs ago I doubt you could have paid me to park it under my shed. But I visit their sites on puter land, FB, here, etc.. and it is amazing how these people get really ingrossed in them and their M,R,J counterparts. They love them!!! Rabid!!! And that is great, I love my Volare. ( It is what it is.) I asked a while back the ages of members, there was a huge response. Between 40 and 60, some older and some in early 20's. Either they had one before or maybe dad. They relate to those cars, just like we on here relate to A bodies. They guys remind me a lot of the average mopar guy back in the 80's before repop parts, $ on the brain and hemi cudas selling on BJ for jackass prices.
                                        I predict the value and desirability of any SRVIVOR, Mar will stay or become decent, I did not say high priced necessarily. A mid 70's 318 A body is what it is........
                                         
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                                          Keep that hang 10 original! Very unique car, and I bet it will be worth money soon.
                                           
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                                            Anyone know how many Hang 10s were made?