K-Member / Rack & Pinion Steering Suggestions

1) Yup, makes sense. Some engine swaps that aren't well supported don't have good header options. I would argue that there are a lot of swaps that are pretty well supported, but, that mostly boils down to anything *I* want to run has a least a couple options. So I get that.

2) We've been through this. It's not that much weight savings
  • ~50 lbs lighter than the OE K member and suspension with factory power steering (vs HDK w/ power rack)
  • ~35 lbs lighter than an OE K member and suspension using a Borgeson power steering box (vs a power rack)
  • ~31 lbs lighter than an OE K and suspension w/manual steering (vs a manual rack)
Those are vs. stock mopar parts too, and using 1" torsion bars for that weight. If you install tubular LCA's, aluminum strut rods etc there is additional weight savings to be had. The QA1 LCA's save about 8 lbs. The Qa1 K saves about the same. Just that knocks 16 lbs off.

And yes, if you go OE K and OE power steering to an HDJ with a manual rack the savings is about 70 lbs, but that's not a like-to-like comparison. The OE power steering is a boat anchor, even going from OE power steering to OE manual steering saves 40lbs. If you compare the OE K and manual steering to an HDK and power rack it's only a 9 lb savings. Again, with factory parts, this means you can have a factory K and manual steering weigh less with the right aftermarket parts. But that's comparing manual to power again.

A more detailed break down is here Anybody running the RMS AlterKation? Was it really worth the cost?

3) Gets you a rack and pinion. Can't argue that much, if you really want a rack and pinion that's the best way to do it. I personally don't understand the need, I think a lot of people are comparing worn out steering/suspension parts to a new rack. But it's a good reason if that's what you want.



Sure, but I can get ALL of those alignment numbers with just a set of SPC UCA's, and everything else bone stock factory. Let alone all of the other stuff I usually upgrade. Now with a 3/4" ride height increase you probably do have a geometry improvement vs torsion bars, because you have more control over spindle heights and stuff. The torsion bar system does not like added ride height, and the best geometry occurs with some modest lowering.

I just hate it when people say stuff like they "need" a coil-over conversion to improve handling. No, you don't. And adding a rack and pinion doesn't make you faster. 10 years ago there wasn't nearly as much aftermarket support for the torsion bar system, now you can achieve a lot of the same improvements with off the shelf aftermarket parts.

And again, thanks Denny. For supporting the community and providing a great suspension set up. I mean, if you want a rack and pinion it is the way to do it, and while I don't want/need one other people do, and that's fine. I just want people to be real about what the advantages and disadvantages really are.



120 lbs where? No sir. Weight savings of actual parts are posted above.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I also included the savings using the Street-Lynx rear suspension as well.


Heres what Motortrend had to say whick I feel is accurate. Unless I see the parts on a weigh scale I'll stick to my statement.

Convert Any Mopar Suspension to Coilovers and Make Room for Mods