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DODGE'S ARE KOOL BUT PLYMOUTH'S RULE !
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Aloha, trying to find a value on a 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Notchback Formula S ?
QQ1 blue color , 383/4speed, 3.91 suregrip, heater delete, bench seat. All Numbers Matching. Car is in prosses of being restored !

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Wow, no opinions ! Very Hard to believe ! Here I thought "Opinion's were like Assholes, Everyone's got one"
Oh well, I thought such a rare car, it might be worth a few shinny pennies. Thanks, C
 
it cant be "all numbers matching" if it has a posi

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now that that is out of the way, here is something to consider, you give us very little to go by
the paper work you post, is 15 years old
then you mention the car (which we dont see) is in the process of being restored...can you get any more abiguous then that?
no word on the body, rust or not
the engine, has it be painted or rebuild?
by who?
to what spec?
what parts?

show us the car, and what has been done, and will be done and we might be able to get you a number
 
1st Q's Build sheet says Sure Grip 3.91. In black & white
2nd, had some rust, both rear quarter skins have been replaced also some drip rails, dutch panel and front pass side kick panel door support area. But all done proper with real steel
3rd, engine was Rebuilt by Mach shop with all OEM stock parts used . just new rings , bearings etc. 383 Engine rebuilt 5 years ago. I turn it over by hand every couple months or so
Metal work is almost done, body soon to follow.

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Are you restoring it and looking to sell?
Is someone selling and you're looking to buy?
Are you looking to sell it unrestored?
Are you looking to pick up someone's restoration project and finish it to make a buck?
Is every step of the restoration documented?
Is this a nut and bolt restoration using only NOS parts?
Is this just a rebuild of a mostly original car?
Are all the original parts there?
Have either you or the person restoring the car ever done a brand specific restoration before?
 
Yes , I am doing has full of a OEM/NOS resto as I can here in Hawaii
Most of parts are original from car but some I had to track down. Like the 3.91/741 sure grip . had broken teeth !
Found a 3.91/741 R&P NOS from FABO. Very hard to find but been working on it for the last few years.
Bought car fresh out of being striped down and sandblasted, from a friend that restores mostly E bodies. He had to many projects to do car.
I got missing metal from a Good friend in Calif. "Andy" that does Barracuda restos.
Now, I am Not "Graveyard cars", but am doing as good as I was taught and pocket will allow .
And YES car will be for sale , as is or when its done !!!
 
The paperwork isn't worth anything. It's 17 years old, so, just because something is listed in the paperwork doesn't mean it's still there. If you're going to pay matching numbers prices, you better lay hands on everything that has a number on it and confirm that the seller still has it, and the numbers actually match.

If the engine was rebuilt 17 years ago and it's been sitting like shown in the picture the whole time, you'd better assume it will need another full rebuild unless you can prove otherwise.

You can't assume you have all the parts. If it's not on the car and it's hard to find or worth a lot, you'd better lay hands on it. And assume anything not on the car currently isn't there for a reason- ie, it's broken, doesn't work, or at the very least needs to be restored still. And that assumes it's going to come in the pile of boxes you get, which is a big assumption. You will be missing parts getting the car in that condition. Probably missing a lot of parts. And just because you get the parts doesn't mean they won't still need a lot of work.

Cars like the one you show are very difficult to put a price on and very risky if you're trying to stay in a budget for whatever reason. Some of the work has been done, so you have to confirm if that work was done right and that it doesn't need to be done again (like rebuilding the engine). You are absolutely missing parts, and even just small parts can nickel and dime you to death on a full restoration. The cost to finish that car, even though work has already been done, could actually be HIGHER than if you were starting from scratch if you have to redo work that's already been done or are missing important parts. Or, it could be a steal. You get it for a good price and the work already done is good, you get most of the hard to find parts, and voila, you start ahead.

But it can be hard to tell one from the other. You have to really inspect the hell out of the car, make sure the work has been done well. The doors are on that car so that's good, but if the gaps aren't set (and they probably aren't) you may find out later that the quarters aren't aligned right, and that's a nightmare. Full notchback quarters aren't available and haven't been for awhile, so unless they had a donor it was just a skin replacement. Even if you sort through EVERYTHING very thoroughly, you will still be missing stuff. So make a list of hard to find Formula S parts and make sure those are all there. You won't be able to lay hands on every part, so make sure the expensive and hard to find stuff is there.

Cars in the condition of the one you show are very risky. There is a lot of potential to save money, but there are a lot of ways to lose a ton too.
 
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P.S. any help Is always welcome as it has not been easy !
Car in an Original Hawaii Car ! Bought in Oahu in 1968 .
I have most all paper work except Broadcast sheet as rear seat was missing when I got car.
383 Engine rebuilt 5 years ago. I turn it over by hand every couple months

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As in any build, takes time & money !!!
Just hope it is worth Both !

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What value are you lookin for? The AS IS NOW value or the restored value?
 
Both ? Also to see if anyone out there wants a project ? I have my Hands full but I think the car is worth the time !
Not many of these BB / 4 speed, Notches left !

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I'll just say with all the original stuff there, it's worth "a lot". Restored, a lot "more". I am terrible at guessing. Dave that's on here would be a good one to give you a good value. He's had and done a lot of these cars. I prefer the fastback cars......BUT, I like this one because it's a big block 4 speed notch back. That's just super cool.
 
What gets in your pocket big time are the rare parts that make it worth big bucks. Ever notice how many of these 383 A bodies are missing those parts and what they cost? That is part ofwhat separates the high $ cars from the not so high $. Then there is your work, as in quality, Then there is the documentation of every $spent, inc. engine work! The difference in value of a #1 restored car or the project sitting in many pieces, parts missing ?????.. You get the idea.
I bet you will find many people here to share knowledge, but mainly were are not an appraisal company/?? There are guy s on this sit that have one or several 67-9 383 A bodies, and I bet you can locate them with a search here, and pm for for advice as to $$$$.
Good luck. I once bought a 72 Satelitte in Mo. that spent its entire life pretty much in Hawaii.
I was born in Hawaii not long after WW11 ended!!!!!!!
 
Galen don't do much of anything these days.
I'm not sure how he's grading things there either.
On the engine, it calls out the size and carb, but doesn't say if the casting dates or the carb is correct for the car. He also calls out the poor chrome condition on the valve covers, the Holley intake and the missing air cleaner. He then rates it at a 5 out of 6?
What about the safety check rating at a 5 with nothing working?

I'm not busting your balls, Amigo, but that is one bullshit certificate.
 
Car was running and drivingfew years ago b4 i got it. Carb is long gone and has wrong intake. But most all is correct.
 
Not everybody have the same definition when it comes to "Matching Numbers" or All Original.

You have used two different subjects with two completely different definitions.

ANy car can be numbers matching, as long as it has its complete and original drive train. They can only be "all original" one time.
 
Car was running and drivingfew years ago b4 i got it. Carb is long gone and has wrong intake. But most all is correct.
Except what's missing or not working.

I'm going to apologize and bow out now. I have nothing against you or a fine car. I did this for a living for a very long time and I really prefer to keep all of that behind me.
 
Well nobody has thrown a number out yet...so may as well be me. Please don't be insulted. As it sits right now... to the right buyer $5k maybe. It's a pile of parts, and everyone of them needs love(and time, and money). Although not common, I wouldn't say it's overly desirable. Documentation, ect aside... it's a notch back. Hemi, LS6, Boss... different story. Completely restored $25k...to the absolute right buyer.
 
Well nobody has thrown a number out yet...so may as well be me. Please don't be insulted. As it sits right now... to the right buyer $5k maybe. It's a pile of parts, and everyone of them needs love(and time, and money). Although not common, I wouldn't say it's overly desirable. Documentation, ect aside... it's a notch back. Hemi, LS6, Boss... different story. Completely restored $25k...to the absolute right buyer.
Wow, i disagree but thanks for your input. It all helps me decide what im going do
 
Not sure what its worth now but if the restoration is done right everything correct 55,000 to 60,000
 
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