Alterkation question. .....

Sorry, but, there's a ton of less than fully accurate info here.

TTI's 1 7/8" headers are designed to fit with torsion bars. I have Doug's 1 5/8" on mine with 1.12" bars. They might take some dimples on the tubes, but that's a far cry from custom headers. The header clearance difference between a .87" bar and a 1.12" bar is only 1/8". That's not even a big dimple on a header tube, and that assumes the little bars touch.

Weight? It's only a big improvement if you switch from OE power steering to a manual rack. These weights are all for an HDK conversion, not an Alterkation, but the weights are likely pretty similar. Manual steering OE K to an HDK with a manual rack is only ~31 lbs savings. A Borgeson with an OE K to an HDK with power steering is only ~35 lbs savings. With an OE power steering box to an HDK with a power rack the weight savings is ~50 lbs. The only way to save big IMO is to go OE power steering to a manual rack, which is ~71 lbs. Even comparing a Borgeson to a manual rack is ~56.6 lbs. And none of that considers any change in the CG, because the coilovers put the weight higher than the torsion bars do.

All the weights of the individual components are listed here Anybody running the RMS AlterKation? Was it really worth the cost?

You need multiple sets of coil over springs to really tune a coil-over suspension, otherwise you're mostly just changing damping and rebound and you can do that with adjustable shocks on a torsion bar system. Springs are springs, whether they're coils or bars.

Money? You can have pretty much the most expensive stuff there is for torsion bars and still save thousands. I did. And I have stuff that you don't necessarily need (like tubular LCA's, fancy ball joints, spring sliders, etc).

RMS Alterkation w/engine mounts and without brakes - $4,995
RMS Street Lynx - $1,995

Total: $6,990 (keep in mind this doesn't include installing the street lynx, which takes welding)

This is everything I have on my Duster. It's not the cheapest way to do it, although it's not the most expensive either (ie, complete Hotchkis TVS). I didn't spend this much, as some of the parts I listed at full price I actually bought second hand for less (like the steering box for only $300). Even leaving out the rear coilover conversion, you can do the whole car cheaper than just the front AlterK. Even with all new components priced out this is a $2,800 savings.

Front:
1.12" torsion bars from Firm Feel: $355
Bergman Autocraft SPC UCA's:$395
Bergman Autocraft Delrin LCA bushings: $80
Firm Feel greaseable LCA pins: $135
Howe Racing upper ball joints: $130
Proforged lower ball joints:$80
QA1 LCA's: $395
Hotchkis Shocks: $475
Hellwig 55905 front bar: $175
Flaming River 16:1 steering box: $610
QA1 tie rod sleeves: $50
Proforged tie rods (all): $65
Moog pitman and idler arms: $80
Adjustable PST strut rods:$300
Rear:
Hellwig 6908 rear bar: $180 (this is the Ebody bar I run with my B-body rear axle)
AFCO 20231M springs: $320
AFCO leaf spring sliders: $200
Dr. Diff 1/2" spring offset:$150
Leaf spring perches: $15

Front suspension: 3,325
Rear suspension : 865

Total: $4,190

Coil Over vs Torsion Bar

Sorry for the distraction, but you can have an all out torsion bar car for far less money than a conversion, only give up 30 lbs of weight (with a lower CG) manual to manual, and still run "off the shelf" headers.



Not without modification. Those posts go up into the holes in the center of the stock K frame. There's nothing there on an Alterkation.

Yes it will but you will need their Tubuar K-frame adapters - USCT7M5012
USCT7M5012-Tubular K-Frame adapters (2 ea)

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72bluNblu,
You're the one with a ton of less than fully accurate info here. Plus, don't muddy the waters talking about rear suspensions. We could debate that somewhere else.


Look, I test fit the 1-3/4" step headers with my 1.24" Firm Feel bars and I could tell the 1-7/8" headers are going to need some real serious massaging. Not even close. I might just settle for the 1-3/4" step headers and "dimple" the fu<k out of them instead of heavily modifying 1-7/8" TTi's. My engine builder is recommending the bigger headers with my horsepower though.



Looks like I optimized the weight savings then. I am actually running a power rack but use a light Sweet Mfg. pump and my reservoir is about a quart. Doesn't weigh but a few pounds.



71 lbs. is a lot! But Alter-k-tion likely weighs more.



ONE shipping charge. Includes the rack and pinion.

I took the liberty of fixing your prices to reflect current prices using my invoices from BAC and searching Summit. Click to expand.



Price with 1.25" bars and steering - $5,515
Not included is a bunch of shipping charge on at least 15 individual items $$$


I don't know where you're getting your parts from but you must be sponsored or something, LOL. Also, you forgot to add the steering box when doing the comparison.



I'm not debating the effectiveness of said systems. I'm building a torsion bar car right now for Pete's sake. I'm not here poo pooing the torsion bar system, @72bluNblu. I just think it is (1) up to an individual to support the aftermarket how they want too, (2) these coilover systems foot the bill for some builds, (3) these coilover systems do perform. And, it's not like the optimized torsion bar system is better or worse (same for the coilovers). They won't make a bad driver good.

I really hope you don't think I'm trying to throw shade but I want to make sure this information is accurate and I think your statement about my info being less than factual is, itself, inaccurate and you conveniently left out info (steering box / brake kits?) to try to prove your point. No hard feelings.


Price with 1.25" bars and steering - $5,515
Not included is a bunch of shipping charge on at least 15 individual items $$$

*This is an updated price of all your stuff on your list that you keep referring to.
And you add in the price of the RMS rear suspension to compare it with the cost of an OE rebuild.