Alterkation or K1?
You are being disingenuous by adding the cost of the Street Lynx rear suspension in with the cost of the Alter-k-tion to compare it to you deflated prices in your parts prices.
The cost of an apples to apples / OE type suspension to Alter-K-tion is a difference of hundreds.
@72bluNblu
Post #20
Alterkation question. .....
You’re busted on your deflated price list and addition of a RMS
rear suspension to the costs in this thread from a couple of months ago.
I went all in on the torsion bar system for the Valiant build I am working on right now. I am playing both sides because I love my Alter-k-tion. However, when it comes to talking about the cost of a full tilt torsion bar build some people are straight up liars.
You can argue all day about attributes and advantages of each one and I’ll probably agree with both sides. You are right about the fastest Mopars having torsion bars. That’s why I went with them on this build. The coilover kits have some great attributes though.
To LIE though? To add in the cost of a rear suspension to spread the cost gap? To use prices from years before this ridiculous inflation we have now? To ignore that buying a suspension piece meal is going to carry with it ridiculous shipping charges? It actually gets me upset. And he says he doesn’t care. Sure does do a lot of lying for someone who is indifferent.
Ok, let's get real. I made it VERY clear EXACTLY what I was comparing. I might add, that in both of those posts the total for just the front suspension is listed, and it is still less than the cost of an AlterKation front.
I also made it clear, in both posts, that the prices were
old.
So where you get off calling me a LIAR, I don't know. Old prices? Yes, I
said they were. Maybe I was lazy not to update them, but a liar? Untwist your undies. Unfair comparison? Again, I listed the separate breakdowns if you don't want to compare the whole car. Most people do suspension for the
whole car though. And frankly, the 4-link is a much better upgrade comparatively than the AlterK is. But whatever. Front-to-front and whole car are both cheaper.
Price with 1.25" bars and steering - $5,515 not $4190
Not included is a bunch of
shipping charge on at least
15 individual items $$$
You only pay one shipping bill when you buy a complete system.
@72bluNblu
*This is an updated price of all your stuff on your list that you keep referring to.
And you add in the price of the RMS
rear suspension to compare it with the cost of an OE rebuild.
Right now the Alter-k-tion is
$4295 not $6995.
AlterKtion Coil-Over System, Street/Strip, 67-76 A-body, 340/360 Mounts
First, your AlterKation link is for a "street/strip" system, not a "street handling" system. What does that mean?
No front sway bar included. Now, the "street handling" system adds a sway bar and a power rack, and that one DOES cost $4,995. That's the difference, not some attempt by me to stack the deck. You can see that right here
AlterKtion Coil-Over System, Street/Handling, 67-76 A-body, 340/360 Mounts
Since I priced my list for manual steering, we'll use the lower price and even forget that there's no sway bar so it's not even a real apples to apples comparison. That's ok, because it doesn't matter. We'll use the $4295 price.
Here's the whole list AGAIN. There are
3 sellers. Summit will ship for
free with that price total. Bergman and Firm Feel will charge shipping, but it's not a freight charge now is it? These are prices I just finished gathering TODAY. With the links, if you'd like to check. There are a couple of small changes compared to what I actually have on my car, like I don't have QA1 adjustable strut rods. Mine were made locally and cost me less, but if you're buying commercially I'd run (and run on my Challenger) the QA1 bars. I use a different brand of tie rod sleeves, they were CHEAPER. I'd run the Qa1 version if I bought them again.
My Duster, if I built it
today
Front :
QA1 Adjustable strut bars - $243.95
1974 DODGE DART QA1 52311 QA1 Dynamic Adjustable Strut Bars | Summit Racing
QA1 LCA’s - $476.95
1974 DODGE DART QA1 52307 QA1 Mopar Control Arms | Summit Racing
QA1 tie rod sleeves- $68.95
1974 DODGE DART QA1 52325 QA1 Heavy-Duty Tie Rod Sleeves | Summit Racing
Proforged tie rod ends- $157.08 (all 4)
1974 DODGE DART Proforged Chassis Parts 104-10157 Proforged Tie Rod Ends | Summit Racing
1974 DODGE DART Proforged Chassis Parts 104-10156 Proforged Tie Rod Ends | Summit Racing
Proforged lower ball joint (driver)- $42.83
1974 DODGE DART Proforged Chassis Parts 101-10129 Proforged Ball Joints | Summit Racing
Proforged lower ball joint (passenger)- $39.27
1974 DODGE DART Proforged Chassis Parts 101-10128 Proforged Ball Joints | Summit Racing
Hotchkis 1.5 shocks (non adjustable)- $337.44 (just the front 2)
1974 DODGE DART Hotchkis Sport Suspension 70020013 Hotchkis Sport Suspension 1.5 Street Performance Series Shocks | Summit Racing
Howe racing ball joints- $179.98 (both)
1974 DODGE DART Howe Racing 22320S Howe Ball Joints | Summit Racing
Flaming River 16:1 manual steering box- $776.99
1974 DODGE DART Flaming River FR1540 Flaming River Steering Gear Boxes | Summit Racing
Moog pitman arm (manual) - $65.99
1974 DODGE DART Proforged Chassis Parts 103-10015 Proforged Pitman Arms | Summit Racing
Moog idler - $51.99
1974 DODGE DART Moog Chassis Parts K7086 Moog Replacement Idler Arms | Summit Racing
Hellwig 55905 front sway bar- $231.99
1974 DODGE DART Hellwig 55905 Hellwig Motorsports Tubular Sway Bars | Summit Racing
Bergman Autocraft SPC UCA’s (1st gen)- $375
BAC SPC Upper Control Arms - Bergman Auto Craft
BAC Delrin LCA bushings : $76.50
BAC Delrin Lower Control Arm Bushings - Bergman Auto Craft
Firm Feel 1.12” bars- $395
Firmfeel Mopar Suspension and Steering
Firm Feel greasable LCA pins- $125
Firmfeel Mopar Suspension and Steering
Total: $3,644.91
So, that's less than
$4,295 for the AlterKation right? Yes. It is
$650.12 cheaper. If you don't like my parts choices, feel free to blow it out your ***. All of these are companies I'm currently using or have used before, and trust. If you have some fancier wiz bang crap good for you. But I'd take the parts on the list. Speaking of lists, where's yours? Like an actual price breakdown, with links, so we can check.
Hell with it. You want to talk parts choices? Some of mine are really expensive for very little performance improvement. I love my BAC Delrin LCA bushings. But you know what? 99% of people, myself included, would be fine with poly bushings with the greasable pins I already use. In fact, I ran prothane's on my Duster for thousands of miles, they were fine and cost $11 now. Oh, and you can buy a PST 16:1 steering box. Hell, it would be
lighter because it has an aluminum case, the flaming river box is steel and heavier. And I sure as hell don't need Howe Racing upper ball joints, again, most wouldn't.
If you substitute these parts…
Proforged ball joints- $19.80 x2
1974 DODGE DART Proforged Chassis Parts 101-10126 Proforged Ball Joints | Summit Racing
Prothane polyurethane LCA bushings-$11.37
1974 DODGE DART Prothane Motion Control 4-205-BL Prothane Front Control Arm Bushings | Summit Racing
PST manual steering box - $339.00
https://p-s-t.com/i-23161668-manual-steering-box-16-1.html#!year=1974||make=DODGE||model=DART
Total: $3,001.41
So now the price is
$1,293.59 cheaper. And with parts that most people, myself included, probably wouldn't even notice the difference with on the street. Oh, and PST ships free, and that's NOT the member discount price. You could save a TON more too if you just rebuilt and reinforced your LCA's but I left it off because some people would need to pay to have that done and I have no idea what that would cost. I did my own, and again, the difference between those and QA1 LCA's is fairly minimal, especially if you aren't lowered as much as my car is. Or get the QA1's and save another $125 AND the $11.37 and just run them with the bushings and LCA pins they come with.
