dr dodges "Meandering Delivery"

[dr dodge]

Good Evening All,

y'all have seen my posts, figured time to start this.

eventual transformation of a bottom level 4 dr car to a sedan delivery that they should have made

Dartman turns into"

So first, the car, then the vision
did my first did the fender tag decode (not easy, f'kg mopar sudoku)
happy to know, verified, it is 100% all green, what a surprise!

guess I know what to paint it, good old F7.
I bought so many cars that color over the years, only fitting my custom would be it too
Mrs dr knew when I rolled up, and it was green, I'm driving it home
(green cars were always cheaper)

cheapo 225 car, with the bonus radio
also, shoulder belts as an option? first year for them, 73 were mandentory, I think

so what is the vision? 2 basic versions based upon "are scamp doors the same on the front?"
(close, but not scaled)
big difference in look (bottom 4dr door) red lines difference

I like the extended doors
(BTW, since my car is buried in leaves, I used a net pic, if above is your car let me know...lol)

top is crude "paint mockup" w/ extended door (much nicer when you are 6'3")
move the b pillar. my demon drag car back when had a b body column, I'd do that, too

my questions are;, (I know 2 door has no window surround)
Are the hinges the same location?
Is the vent the same angle at the door/roof?
How much longer would a "scamp" door be?

The car will be a daily driver, and when I start selling all the parts in the shop,
literally will be my delivery truck, and also a simple camper for x country runs.
no super engine mods planned, just "ole reliable" as <6's are.
possibly alt fuels later.

Simple transport, and making it look cool, too

super stoked, I'll vid the actual car good tomorrow

I would like lots of input, feel free to throw out ideas

thanks,

dr

 

[abdywgn]

How about a door from a 69 Valiant 2-door?

 

[dr dodge]

How about a door from a 69 Valiant 2-door?

I al all ears if any of them fit
I got parts to trade

 

[Professor Fate]

2 dr HT (Dart/Swinger/Scamp) uses a different windshield than the 4 dr. & 2 dr. sedan (post) Darts/Valiants, which is also a bit more upright on the 4 dr. & sedan; so I don't think your 2 dr. hardtop doors will match the angle at the A pillar. A door from a 2dr. sedan should, though- but I can't help you with how much length difference there is between the front doors of a 4 dr. and the 2 dr. sedan doors.

 

[Professor Fate]

Your photos remind me a LOT of the Australian Valiant Drifter.

 

[dr dodge]

2 dr HT (Dart/Swinger/Scamp) uses a different windshield than the 4 dr. & 2 dr. sedan (post) Darts/Valiants, which is also a bit more upright on the 4 dr. & sedan; so I don't think your 2 dr. hardtop doors will match the angle at the A pillar. A door from a 2dr. sedan should, though- but I can't help you with how much length difference there is between the front doors of a 4 dr. and the 2 dr. sedan doors.

I think the door angle may be very close. (mod'able, at least)

honestly, the 4 dr door sucks for me as a tall guy.
look left, interior greem...lol
even ditchin' the window surround would be great (almost a 1-2" rectangle)
I feel, to be enjoyable it needs a door mod,
and looks cool.

the vent support will be a different PN (surround/vs open top) but is that angle the same?
Do 4 dr fenders fit a "scamp" body? if not how?
why would dodge make so many things swap, and not do all the boxy pillars A pillars the same?
not arguing, just, maybe bust another Mopar myth

dr

 

[dr dodge]

Your photos remind me a LOT of the Australian Valiant Drifter.
View attachment 1716488876

looks like a challenger nose
that is real interesting
wonder how the rear body is done

dr

 

[dr dodge]

So, on to the hood mods.
I live in Houston, very hot almost always.

the hood is to get a dual fresh air/vent system

my 2 favorite mopar accy's
the shaker, and the "side hood vents" on RR's and early darts, like this

what I will do is like this

crude drawings but, y'all get the idea,
under hood temps in traffic are a killer,
as will be keeping a cool interior

meets this

functional vents in line with the 2 embossed ribs on the dart hood,
at least 2x taller, sharp bent closer to the "vent" opening

 

[dr dodge]

the canvas, awaiting artwork.
a very solid car. coastal window rot but pretty solid under it all

and the ugly stuff

trunk lip is nasty, and the window hole.
I fixed it 10 years ago and it's back

all gotta go to save it

Life is good if the factory jack sticker survived 50 years

dr

 

[Professor Fate]

not arguing, just, maybe bust another Mopar myth

It's not a myth, the A pillar angle is different, I just can't tell you exactly by how much since I don't have one of each doors sitting in front of me right now... although I would hazard a rough guess that it would be off by about 1 1/2-2" at the top of the A pillar. I still think doors from a 2 door post (sedan) would be workable since the A pillar angle will match. I just can't confirm the overall length of the 2 dr. sedan door but it is longer than the four door. There's also the issue of the upper roof rail weatherstripping and structure differences between sedans and hardtops.
A 2 dr sedan door for comparison:

2 dr. hardtop:

Do 4 dr fenders fit a "scamp" body?

Yes. From the firewall forward everything's the same between 2 and 4 doors. There's differences between years and between Dodge and Plymouth, but the major body lines are all the same.

 

[Dana67Dart]

How about a door from a 69 Valiant 2-door

Wouldn't the outer skin be different that the dart?

 

[dr dodge]

It's not a myth, the A pillar angle is different, I just can't tell you exactly by how much since I don't have one of each doors sitting in front of me right now... although I would hazard a rough guess that it would be off by about 1 1/2-2" at the top of the A pillar. I still think doors from a 2 door post (sedan) would be workable since the A pillar angle will match. I just can't confirm the overall length of the 2 dr. sedan door but it is longer than the four door. There's also the issue of the upper roof rail weatherstripping and structure differences between sedans and hardtops.
A 2 dr sedan door for comparison:
View attachment 1716488906
2 dr. hardtop:
View attachment 1716488907

Yes. From the firewall forward everything's the same between 2 and 4 doors. There's differences between years and between Dodge and Plymouth, but the major body lines are all the same.

interesting. I really want to get rid of the window surround on the sedan
there is no real door a pilar in the hardtop, it's the vent window assy (???)
that maybe could be canted to fill the gap with re-mounting
thanks for good observation between them (differences)

dr

 

[72bluNblu]

It's not a myth, the A pillar angle is different, I just can't tell you exactly by how much since I don't have one of each doors sitting in front of me right now... although I would hazard a rough guess that it would be off by about 1 1/2-2" at the top of the A pillar. I still think doors from a 2 door post (sedan) would be workable since the A pillar angle will match. I just can't confirm the overall length of the 2 dr. sedan door but it is longer than the four door. There's also the issue of the upper roof rail weatherstripping and structure differences between sedans and hardtops.
A 2 dr sedan door for comparison:
View attachment 1716488906
2 dr. hardtop:
View attachment 1716488907

Yes. From the firewall forward everything's the same between 2 and 4 doors. There's differences between years and between Dodge and Plymouth, but the major body lines are all the same.

Totally agree. The 2 door post (sedan) and 4 door cars have a taller greenhouse. The front windshield is close to couple inches taller. I didn't realize this back in the day and grabbed a 4 door windshield from the junk yard for my 2 door hardtop. Needless to say, not even close to fitting.

The lengths I don't know for sure. The 2 door sedan doors are longer than the front door for the 4 doors, but I don't know if they're the same length as the 2 door hardtop cars. Would make sense since all the other cars used the same length door and therefore the quarters would be the same length, but I don't know for sure about that.

Wouldn't the outer skin be different that the dart?

It might be a different length because of the 2 door sedan thing, but, the body lines are the same. Duster door skins and Dart door skins are the same. Heck even the inner stampings start off the same, just different holes and a couple brackets for the wing vents and different window track hardware.

interesting. I really want to get rid of the window surround on the sedan
there is no real door a pilar in the hardtop, it's the vent window assy (???)
that maybe could be canted to fill the gap with re-mounting
thanks for good observation between them (differences)

dr

Tilting the wing vent assembly won't fix the issue. The wing vent will be too short, because the roof line (glasshouse) on the 4 doors is taller.

 

[Professor Fate]

interesting. I really want to get rid of the window surround on the sedan
there is no real door a pilar in the hardtop, it's the vent window assy (???)
that maybe could be canted to fill the gap with re-mounting
thanks for good observation between them (differences)

dr

You're tripping up on terminology.
This is not an A pillar:

This is:

All body styles have them; hardtops, sedans, convertibles, wagons.
B pillars are behind the front doors, C pillars are behind the rear doors. On a wagon or SUV, D pillars are at the rear of the car.

Even if you could re-mount the vent window frame to take up the gap, that would totally throw off the operating angles of the window tracks, and require custom-cut tempered glass for the openings...