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I got my A body from the original owner years ago with 16,439 miles on it (drove it for years after that). I never checked the numbers but it has come up with the insurance company and value after the restoration. Since it's a 1967 Dodge Dart GTS am I right that they didn't put vins on the engine, trans, etc. so I have to check date codes? Also where do I find these?

Insurance company is also saying it's not a GTS because you couldn't order that package until after 1967.

I have the build sheet for the car.

Thanks for any help on this.
 
1968FormulaS340 said:
Find a new insurance company.
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I agree, we had trouble with insuring our 68 GTS. We found an insurance broker that was in our car club and he found a real good price and we were even over insured(kinda)

A friend has Haggerty on his dart. Not a bad price for a car valued under 30 G's
 
LS23H72 , right ?

The 1967 "GT+S" was available only with a 383 .

Production started in Spring 1967 (~April ) .

Can't *completely* blame your insurance co for not knowing about this esoteric model . For many years , there was a bone-of-contention that there was no such an animal as a factory-produced big block 1967 Dart ; that's ostensibly been proven wrong :)

The first '67 GT+S saw was in 1986 / 1987 . A convertible none-the-less ! LS27H72 .
 
1967 was the first year of the GTS. It appeared midway through the year with a 383 only. They were a sneak peek for 1968. That insurance Company does not know sh&* from clay! A 1967 GTS you are very lucky!:thumblef:
 
If you're having to educate your insurance company about your car now, what do you think will happen if you were to get into an accident with it?????
 
One of the first '67 GTS's I've seen was a convertible 4 speed car. Rotted to death:( but was #s matching. I got my 4 speed hump out of that car. Maybe tomorrow I can get a picture of it. Some day it will get re-bodied.
 

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So where do I find the numbers? I assume I'll be checking date codes. What I have read so far says Mopar didn't start putting VINs on the engines and trans until 1968. Correct?
 
buck351 said:
So where do I find the numbers? I assume I'll be checking date codes. What I have read so far says Mopar didn't start putting VINs on the engines and trans until 1968. Correct?
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Either '68 or '69 , can't remember .
'67 didn't have the v.i.n. on any drivetrain parts . The only way that I'm aware of to 'make' a '67 & earlier be 'matching numbers' is by casting dates on the motor and trans .

What's the doorjam v.i.n. read ?
 
68 was the first year for partcial VIN stamping on the block and trans. Some 69 models had the complete VIN stamped on the engine and trans, and in 70 back to a partcial vin stamping. You are correct for 1967 about all you can go on is the casting dates and assembly date of the engine. It should have a assembly date stamped on the machined pad where it says C 383. No 100% way to say its matching numbers engine and trans because it had no number to tie it to that particular car. Just has to be in the correct range before the build date of the car , and I would guess that might be on your build sheet. Hope this helps you, and I would think it would be hard for them to know the value of this car if they don't know it was built.
Matt
 
I gave them the apprasial but I don't think I gave them a copy of the build sheet. I did give a copy of the build sheet to the apprasier. I'm going to reply to their objections and see what they say. If they are still being difficult I just tell them to go blank themselves and get the coverage elsewhere. Half the fun of replaying to their objections will be to point out what their expert group doesn't know.

The apprasier thinks they are trying to limit their overall liability by doing this with all their classic policies. He says since the recession a lot of classic insured cars have disappeared. Don't know about that, just his opinion I guess.

I still need to locate the build date codes. Think I read the engine is near the passenger side motor mount. Forgot where I read the heads codes are. I think I read it on Year One's site.
 
lh23h2r said:
either '68 or '69 , can't remember .
'67 didn't have the v.i.n. On any drivetrain parts . The only way that i'm aware of to 'make' a '67 & earlier be 'matching numbers' is by casting dates on the motor and trans .

What's the doorjam v.i.n. Read ?
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Dodge Dart, Premium, 2-door hard top, H for engine, 1967, Hamtranck, Michigan plant and 275***. Looking at the GTS registry it looks like all the 1967 GTS's came out of the same plant.
 
The date codes for the engine will be on the pad just below the distributor.
For example, mine is C383 for 1967 383, and below that its 523 for May 23rd.

Since you have a 67 you can get a copy of the IBM buildcard from Chrysler, along with a letter stating what your car came with, the dealership it was sold from, etc.

See here: http://wpchryslermuseum.org/newsroom.do?id=390&mid=135

If that doesn't do it, nothing will. I think it was stated best early on in this thread, and probably time for a new insurance company.

Here is an example of the letter and card:
 

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Interesting. I didn't know this was available. Thanks for all the information.

I came across the warranty card that has the orignial owners name and the date 6/22/67. I also have the form I filled out to transfer the warranty to me.
 
Matthon,
You don't want to trade me for my 67 GT convertible do you? that was built only 8 days before I was born while my GT was delivered one month and 5 days before I was delivered.
 
Mattthon,

Ok, I was looking around under the distributor and I'm not seeing any numbers. Only thing I saw on the block was a number 4 under the distributor. Am I missing something?

I saw a long number and a circle of dots with an arrow in them on the block just behind the passenger side motor mount. Hard to see without getting under the car.
 
buck351 said:
Mattthon,

Ok, I was looking around under the distributor and I'm not seeing any numbers. Only thing I saw on the block was a number 4 under the distributor. Am I missing something?

I saw a long number and a circle of dots with an arrow in them on the block just behind the passenger side motor mount. Hard to see without getting under the car.
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The numbers are on the pad right below the distributor, take a look at mine:
 

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coffeedart67 said:
Matthon,
You don't want to trade me for my 67 GT convertible do you? that was built only 8 days before I was born while my GT was delivered one month and 5 days before I was delivered.
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No thank you. Actually 5/23 is the engine assembly date, the car was built/delivered after that. You don't want to know the date, lol.
 
Buck351, keep in mind the scheduled production date on the buildsheet and fender tag is just that, the car could have been built before that date, on that date, or after.
The engine should have a casting date, I forget which side, but just below the oil pan, and the assembly date below the distributor.

The casting date could be months prior to the assembly date, the assembly date should be very close to the actual shipping date.

The actual shipping date will be on the IBM build card and in the letter from Chrysler.

When I got mine, I discovered that my car was actually shipped a few days after the engine assembly date, not over a week after as the fender tag stated.
 
Insurance companies like State Farm do not have all of the vehicles ever made in their databases, or from where ever they get their info.
When I bought my first turbo car the insurance company checked the vin and had no clue, giving me much lower rates.
Its good or bad, depending on what you need.
 
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