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ramcharger

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I bought a pre-'64 1894 last fall and finally had a chance to pull it apart last night for a thorough cleaning and inspection. I pull any new/new to me firearm apart before firing for safety's sake and also to familiarize myself with how it works in case I run into an issue in the field.

First impression? Dang this thing is complex and a wonder of Victorian era engineering. I think I used about 8 different flat head hollow ground gunsmithing bits, two sizes of steel punches, one size brass punch and a gunsmithing nylon faced hammer to completely dissasemble the rifle into it's component parts. Granted, I'm very picky about having the exact size bit for the screw so as not to mar any of the screw heads and it was pretty gummy with old grease/oil too. Normally I don't think I'd have to use the hammer to tap some of the pins out.

Next I noticed that the bore is beautiful! It took just a little scrubbing to get the lead out. I don't think it's had 100 rounds through it in last 60 years. On the other hand it appears that the action has seen some wear and there are some vibration dings on the left side of the reciever. I get the feeling that this a companion/truck gun that was loaded in the morning, rode in the gun the gun rack or behind the seat all day then was brought in and unloaded.

According to the Winchester website, the rifle was manufactured sometime in 1955. While cleaning everything piece by piece, my mind runs amok thinking of what this rifle might have seen, the mountain hunts that it was on, the vehicles it rode in, the livestock it may have protected, and the lives it may have saved from dangerous two or four legged critters out here in Colorado.

I truly believe that the history of guns parallels the history and struggles of our nation and the people that made our great country what it is today. When I aquire a fiream like this, it's like a piece of history and of a time I'll never know. Every scratch in the stock, small divot in the reciever and wear on moving parts are like words in book that tell a story. They don't scream out at you like a newspaper headline, but are more like an old and yellowed document with holes in the creases and tattered edges. A mystery of sorts that can be talked about with friends over a glass of whiskey next to a campfire.
 
WAFM, LOL, you posted all that and no......................

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Really nice. I also like to tear apart olde guns when I get them. I collect military firearms and I have always wondered where they have been and what they have done. I have a 1945 Springfield m1 garland, 1942 underwood m1 carbine, German Mauser, 1944 m44 Mosin nagant carbine, 1948 enfield no.4 mk 1, 1946 ballester Molina m1911. And a few of family rifles. One has been in the family for 130 years since it was new.
 
Next time you're in the SLC area check out the John Browning museum at Union Station in Ogden for more pieces by the same Victorian master.
 
love those lever actions ...I bought a Marlin 336 a couple of years ago love the gun...beautiful Winchester you have !
 
Really nice. I also like to tear apart olde guns when I get them. I collect military firearms and I have always wondered where they have been and what they have done. I have a 1945 Springfield m1 garland, 1942 underwood m1 carbine, German Mauser, 1944 m44 Mosin nagant carbine, 1948 enfield no.4 mk 1, 1946 ballester Molina m1911. And a few of family rifles. One has been in the family for 130 years since it was new.

Thanks and nice collection you have! I have a tremendous amount of respect for firearms, especially for family heirlooms.

Next time you're in the SLC area check out the John Browning museum at Union Station in Ogden for more pieces by the same Victorian master.

The man was a genius and that trip is certainly on my bucket list. I was never a 1911 fan until I shot one and now it's all over. Mr. Browning invented the perfect (IMHO) combat handgun and everyone has trying to best it for over a 100 years. The only handgun that comes close is the 1873 Colt SAA (Peacemaker as it's more commonly known). I have a deritive, the Ruger Redhawk convertible (.45 Colt/.45 ACP) and what a sweet shooter it is. I've never owned a real first generation SAA as the prices are absolutely astronomical.

One day after I save enough cash, I'd love to find an old Winchester Model 1886 in .50-110, .45-90 or .45-70. Years ago in an antique store here in Colorado I saw one stamped with the ranch name they were purchased for. I passed on it and am still kicking myself in the *** for that oversight. I thought 650 bucks was too much money.... :banghead:
 
love those lever actions ...I bought a Marlin 336 a couple of years ago love the gun...beautiful Winchester you have !

Thanks K.O.! I've had a few Marlin 336's myself and IMHO, the are the pinnical of lever action design. Very easy to break down and the strongest action of them all. I had one in .35 rem for whitetail hunting in the Northern Wisconsin brush and the long octagon barrel cowboy model in .45-70 out here in Colorado. That cowboy model could knock sagebrush off a hill from a 1/4 mile away, no joke. I fitted it with a folding tang sight with the screw type sliding elevation and I could just walk the shots right up until I was right on target. That was with handloads I tailored for that rifle though and they could be a bit rough on the shoulder, lol. 10 rounds with just a t-shirt on would leave a nice yellow bruise the next day.
 
yes I have loved the Winchesters sense the first on I shot I am no expert on fire arms but no dummy ether some people sneered at my choice of a deer rifle but it makes the top three in a lot of poles and I have no regrets on choosing it it is dead accreted and just a cool little gun
 
i like it, i know im not supposed to be handling guns at all and i can get in big trouble.......but my cousin took me to the rifle range and i fired a Marlin 22 lever action and a ruger 22. the ruger has a clip and is semi-auto.

the semi auto was fun ...really exciteing how the shell comes out the side, but the lever action was tooo fun....both had some mega re-coil and bruised the heck out of my shoulder.

i have been to a few gun shows and my cousin put me through a hunter safety course.

i have seen some pretty old stuff .....my uncle has some old WWII german rifles and your right about the idea of when looking at such an old unit...you cant help but imagine what it has been through in life.

when i saw the old German rifle (not sure what it is) i thought that maybe it was fired by a young German boy in Normandy who might have been very afraid as he realized the allied forces were closing in on the beach.

Or maybe it was used in a battle between the Germans and Russian forces.

either way my imagination gets running bcoz i love history and you cant help but wonder.
 
hey Rani...not supposed to handle fire arms?? and you out shooting ..who is the rebel now lol yes guns and there history is so addictive to so many people more so than are vice mopars that is
 
levers are my favorite of all except i do have a soft spot for semi-autos. i have an winchester 1894xtr which is one good looking rifle and a 336c in 30-30. the xtr i put the sights on it that catch more sunlight so i can see them better and what an improvement. i use to hit high all the time with the stock sights but now i'm right on. the 336 i have a 3x9x50mm on it. i like the xtr a little better because it' so much lighter and handles better boar hunting. i have 5 big boars mounted on the wall and 4 of them where with the xtr. the 336 i use for deer only and being heavier i have sling on it. i use to have a 336 in .35 remington with a 4 power which i bagged my first deer with while it was running through the woods. 3 shot at it and hit it 2 times in the right shoulder about 2" apart, the 2nd shot i hit a sapling. i shot another running with the 336 with the power on 3 in the upper right shoulder once and it went down righ away. the hammers are just so natural to operate to get into action.
 
Hey, Ramcharger, where can I look up my old .30-.30? I bought it for a song and dance in '75. There was an ad in the local "Nickel's Worth"

http://nickelsworth.com/

For a .30-.30 and some ammo for 75 bucks. I called and called, no answer, finally decided the number might be wrong. It had an out--of town prefix, so I finally called changing the prefix to our local. Some sleepy hippie answered, "halllllllooooooowwww?" It's in REALLY nice shape, but I don't think all that old.
 
Hey, Ramcharger, where can I look up my old .30-.30? I bought it for a song and dance in '75. There was an ad in the local "Nickel's Worth"

http://nickelsworth.com/

For a .30-.30 and some ammo for 75 bucks. I called and called, no answer, finally decided the number might be wrong. It had an out--of town prefix, so I finally called changing the prefix to our local. Some sleepy hippie answered, "halllllllooooooowwww?" It's in REALLY nice shape, but I don't think all that old.

Here you go!

[ame]http://www.winchesterguns.com/support/files/images/wfa/2012-All/2012-Articles/Winchester-Manufacture-Dates-by-Year----2012-Scanned-Documents.pdf[/ame]
 
Really nice rifle, looks to have been taken care of. I have a 1894 in 38-55 that was my Great Grandfathers. It has an octagon barrel and a 4 digit serial number. Great old guns!
 

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Very cool. There's something neat about old guns...

I have a Colt 1911...WWI pistol. Know the name of the soldier that carried it and such. Doubt I'll ever get rid of that one.
 
Very cool. There's something neat about old guns...

I have a Colt 1911...WWI pistol. Know the name of the soldier that carried it and such. Doubt I'll ever get rid of that one.

I wouldn't say that too loud, beings you live in Illinois and all. LOL
 
Just looked mine up and no records. Looks like it was from 1943 to 1947 sometime.
 
yes I have loved the Winchesters sense the first on I shot I am no expert on fire arms but no dummy ether some people sneered at my choice of a deer rifle but it makes the top three in a lot of poles and I have no regrets on choosing it it is dead accreted and just a cool little gun

Your made an excellent choice and don't let anyone tell you any different. Most shots on deer are well under 200 yards anyway and a lever action by any maker is perfect in the woods. They are compact, comfortable to carry in hand or on a sling due to their inherent flat profile and plenty accurate. Not to mention the quick second shot capability on running game.

i like it, i know im not supposed to be handling guns at all and i can get in big trouble.......but my cousin took me to the rifle range and i fired a Marlin 22 lever action and a ruger 22. the ruger has a clip and is semi-auto.

the semi auto was fun ...really exciteing how the shell comes out the side, but the lever action was tooo fun....both had some mega re-coil and bruised the heck out of my shoulder.

i have been to a few gun shows and my cousin put me through a hunter safety course.

i have seen some pretty old stuff .....my uncle has some old WWII german rifles and your right about the idea of when looking at such an old unit...you cant help but imagine what it has been through in life.

when i saw the old German rifle (not sure what it is) i thought that maybe it was fired by a young German boy in Normandy who might have been very afraid as he realized the allied forces were closing in on the beach.

Or maybe it was used in a battle between the Germans and Russian forces.

either way my imagination gets running bcoz i love history and you cant help but wonder.

Rani, I'm a history buff too and always wonder what these guns could say if they could talk. It's great to hear that you took a hunter safety course and are getting out there and having some fun. :pirate: I have the Ruger .22 that mention and it's a blast to shoot and cheap to feed. I have to wonder though if these guns you shot were all .22's when you mention hard recoil? The .22 LR is about the lowest recoil round I can think of.

levers are my favorite of all except i do have a soft spot for semi-autos. i have an winchester 1894xtr which is one good looking rifle and a 336c in 30-30. the xtr i put the sights on it that catch more sunlight so i can see them better and what an improvement. i use to hit high all the time with the stock sights but now i'm right on. the 336 i have a 3x9x50mm on it. i like the xtr a little better because it' so much lighter and handles better boar hunting. i have 5 big boars mounted on the wall and 4 of them where with the xtr. the 336 i use for deer only and being heavier i have sling on it. i use to have a 336 in .35 remington with a 4 power which i bagged my first deer with while it was running through the woods. 3 shot at it and hit it 2 times in the right shoulder about 2" apart, the 2nd shot i hit a sapling. i shot another running with the 336 with the power on 3 in the upper right shoulder once and it went down righ away. the hammers are just so natural to operate to get into action.

The .35 rem is really a hard hitting round and I don't think it gets the respect it deserves and yep, the levers are just so ergonomic with all the controls falling right where they should be.

Happy boar hunting! I hear they are absolutely delicious. :snorting:
 
I wouldn't say that too loud, beings you live in Illinois and all. LOL
Heh. :) All of my stuff is legal. I'm fairly heavily involved with the firearms scene in this area, so I'm sure I'm already on someone's watch list or something.
 
Really nice rifle, looks to have been taken care of. I have a 1894 in 38-55 that was my Great Grandfathers. It has an octagon barrel and a 4 digit serial number. Great old guns!

Thanks! It's got some wear and tear on it and I admit I cheated a little and took a picture of the best side. Some "Old English" on the stock and forearm does wonders to bring out the grain and hide the scratches too.

That .38-55 is beautiful! I imagine the octagon barrel is relatively rare too. Did you check out the link from Winchester I posted? I'd be curious as to the date of manufacture.

EDIT: Just checked and that rifle had to have been built in 1894, first year of production. You lucky dog you.... :)

Very cool. There's something neat about old guns...

I have a Colt 1911...WWI pistol. Know the name of the soldier that carried it and such. Doubt I'll ever get rid of that one.

Nope, don't do it! Stuff like that would be incredibly hard to replace and just gets more and more and more valuable as time goes by.

Wow, thanks!! Looks like mine was made in '72, so it was only a few years old when I bought it. I had not been shot much.

You're welcome and $75 bucks was a steal! That hippie must've been hard up... :colors:

Just looked mine up and no records. Looks like it was from 1943 to 1947 sometime.

Ah, a war time mystery rifle! I suppose Winchester was just too busy trying to keep up with demand during that time and was not so concerned about record keeping. No matter, older is better when it comes to these rifles. Age and condition are everything and at least you have a time frame of when it was built.
 
I see mention of a .35 Remington, this rifle was given to me by my Dad and I shot my first deer with it at age 11. It's a model 30 express in .35 cal.
 

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Rani, I'm a history buff too and always wonder what these guns could say if they could talk. It's great to hear that you took a hunter safety course and are getting out there and having some fun. :pirate: I have the Ruger .22 that mention and it's a blast to shoot and cheap to feed. I have to wonder though if these guns you shot were all .22's when you mention hard recoil? The .22 LR is about the lowest recoil round I can think of.


yes all the ones i have shot are .22, its a really hard recoil for me bcoz i am 4'10" 88lbs. so the .22 is almost too much for me.....im sure you guys can handle a lot more than me.

my cousin told me to shoot a 12 gauge at the range one time but i didnt shoot it bcoz its too heavy for me and i couldn't keep it steady ....if i would have fired it ...i think it would have knocked me down.

i have this .22 handy to protect the house ......my cousin said to use it if someone ever tried breaking in.....i pray that its never used for destruction but my cousin feels safer with it being here when im alone.
and we use it for rifle range shooting...which i only do with my cousin ....im not supposed to be even touching this....so i only shoot it at a private range we have here so that no one actually sees it in my hands.... i can get in big trouble......but my cousin is responsible for me so i listen to him.


its a fun sport ......i can see the day after i have permission, buying some and going hunting. i think its fun if done safely and responsibly
 

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