Rookie Mistake...

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MICHAEL A SCUDDER

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Never dealt with a "restoration shop" before until I bought this 68 Dart GTS 340". Just an FYI, never give them a large deposit up front, especially if the owner looks like a 25 year old hipster with horn-rimmed glasses that went to college for vintage automotive restoration.

Bought the GTS in October of 2020 and got it home in February 2021. I had it thoroughly disassembled and on body rollers by May of 2021. No glass or anything. Gutted and ready. "Joe" came and looked at it in May of 2021. He shot me an estimate of $12,500 to $15,000 to do body and paint only on a 99.75% rust free Southern California Dart. He told me it would be early 2022 before he could get started on it and it would take 6-8 month to complete the work. I guess I was good with that because he was local (In Greensboro 5 minutes from my house) and some good friends of mine spoke highly of the quality of his paint work. I figured I could check in on him and his "progress". At that time he and his partner only had 3 big projects in the works. Finishing up a 1969 GTO, had a 1970 RAIII speed Trans Am coming in and a Lamborghini that they had to go to FL to look at and give an estimate on.

After a while, in July of 2021, I looked around for other shops in NC and emailed Clark's Classic Restorations in Greenville NC. A Mopar Restoration guru. He told me he was a year out before he cold take in new work, so I figured I'll just keep it local since the time frame for getting it in to the Greensboro shop was getting closer.

After some significant harassment, I finally got the, "Joe" Greensboro guy to pick it up in April of 2022 and gave him a $10,000.00 deposit which he immediately took to the bank. I only did that to show him I was serious about getting the car done. Well, the car sat until November of 2022 until he took it over to a shop in Burlington to be media blasted. That cost $3000.00 of my budget. The media blasters ruined/broke/stole my 53 year old OEM brake pedal with OEM stainless trim ring so now I need to buy a cheap Chinese knock off. The car was DA'd and put into epoxy and sat again for months.

After a while I asked where my OEM front inner fender splash shields were and he immediately blamed the media blasters again. I wasn't about to buy AMD stuff when I bought and delivered a 100% original steel car to him. I asked for the number of the media blaster and lit in to the guy, because "Joe" didn't want to or have the balls to. After a few conversation over two days and a few hours from hiring a lawyer, "Joe" found the inner fender shields. He never took them to the blasters. So I had to apologize to the media blaster. He was OK with it and I also found out he didn't even blast it. It got farmed out for the second time to a guy he knew.

I continued to check in every 4 weeks or so. The car had some minor blocking and sanding done and they welded up a few spots in the hood. I was told then that my car and a 1965 Riviera, (that showed up after my car and my deposit), would be worked in tandem because they were both rust free cars. I was fine with that. I left him alone for a few months until I checked in on December 14th of 2023. My car has made no progress and the Riviera is painted and gassing out. They had a DeTomaso Pantera they did some blending on the roof of. I was then informed that my car and the Lamborghini, (another car that showed up in the shop after my car and after my deposit), will be worked in tandem. But, the Lamborghini got accepted to be in the Concourse De Elegance in Pebble Beach and had to be done by April, which tells me my car will be pushed to the side yet again.

If I had brought my car to Mr. Clark in July of 2022, one year after I first contacted him, it would almost certainly be done by now.

Car was looked at 4/2021. Picked up 4/2022 with a $10,000.00 deposit. 12/2023, still in primer. Engine is done, Interior is done. My 18x24 garage is packed full of part waiting on his ******* ***. My fiance's 24x24 has a few parts in it too. I'd pull it from the shop but he has not done $10,000.00 worth of work to it and good luck getting a partial refund of my deposit. Very frustrating, but, I've never done this before so a lot of lessons learned the past couple years.
 
If it was me,there would be no deposit. The body shop would receive a certain amount of money for work done. The money would be spread out until finished.
 
You may need to turn some screws. Sounds like thats all he responds to. You can't get the time back but you can pressure him with his reputation. Maybe time to start spreading the word to your friends and local car clubs about this. In business, reviews are the new word of mouth, it can sink a business.
 
I don't know what advice to give. Although, I know what I would do. I would go get my car and write it off as lesson learned. I sure am sorry.
 
You may need to turn some screws. Sounds like thats all he responds to. You can't get the time back but you can pressure him with his reputation. Maybe time to start spreading the word to your friends and local car clubs about this. In business, reviews are the new word of mouth, it can sink a business.
I emailed the State Attorney General's Office of NC Consumer Protection Division. Waiting to hear back from them on a recommended course of action.
 
If it was me,there would be no deposit. The body shop would receive a certain amount of money for work done. The money would be spread out until finished.
I've recently started exploring other shops as a back up. I'd be a year out again but they are Mopar specific and I know it will get done right. One I emailed said he takes no $$ up front. Every month his clients get a bill. If the bills don't get paid, all work stops.
 
I don't know what advice to give. Although, I know what I would do. I would go get my car and write it off as lesson learned. I sure am sorry.
I'm giving him until Mid-February to make some sort of progress. If not, I've already decided to do just that. I'll either just take the car or tell him to stop when he reaches $10,000.00 of material and labor on it.
 
I'm giving him until Mid-February to make some sort of progress. If not, I've already decided to do just that. I'll either just take the car or tell him to stop when he reaches $10,000.00 of material and labor on it.
Which he will quickly say he already has. That's the pitfall of paying ahead. I'm just sorry it seems you've found an unscrupulous businessman.
 
I emailed the State Attorney General's Office of NC Consumer Protection Division.
Excellent step. Now tell him you did that and you demand the car be finished by April or there will be legal action that may result in the los of his business license.
 
Which he will quickly say he already has. That's the pitfall of paying ahead. I'm just sorry it seems you've found an unscrupulous businessman.
He's putting on a good front. I'll know if he hasn't done anything. The last 5-6 times I checked in, the same tape and paper has been in the two same spots every ******* time. His old partner that was there when the car arrived messaged me through Linkedin and told me I should go get my car. He quit a few months back because Joey lies and bullshits people when he doesn't make deadlines. He had a side business out of the shop with his GF, now ex-GF, rebting enclosed trailers and she wound up breaking up with him and taking him to court over it because it was her $$$ and her name on the business.
 
Excellent step. Now tell him you did that and you demand the car be finished by April or there will be legal action that may result in the los of his business license.
I'll wait to hear from them but one of the recommendations they have is to write him a letter, and send it registered mail with tracking stating, what I think will be a reasonable resolution to the issue. If he refuses, then they'll step in once I file an official complaint. It's hard to sue because I have to show some form of damage plus It's $3000.00 just to file a lawsuit in civil court. The only damage I can think of is that he has prevented me from restoring and selling this investment vehicle in a timely fashion. I have a lot of money tied up that I cannot recoup until he gets off his dead *** and does his job.
 
Get out while you can. Most of these types have no assets you can get at anyway, so cut your losses and get out.
 
Excellent step. Now tell him you did that and you demand the car be finished by April or there will be legal action that may result in the los of his business license.
I put the bug in his ear after I stopped in on 12/14/2023. I texted him an image of the check from my credit union. Dated 4/22/2022. Politely reminding him it's been almost 20 months since he took my car and my money.
 
Take your car. What you don't understand is, you don't understand. You haven't got a clue to the extent of how bad this can get. Get your car! Don't give him a heads up either, just go in unannounced and get it.
 
Fingers crossed for ya! I wouldn't trust him to do anything positive from here on out. Especially after trying to steal your inner fenders...wtf??
 
How's your "good friends" reaction been since his high praise of this shop?
They're upset and disappointed because they recommended him and they had no idea how he ran his business, they just saw his work and listened to his smooth talking.
 
I gotta agree with getting it. Take it no matter the shape/stage it's in. If you do, how much would you be out?? $5-7k?? Better to "lose" that now, early, than potentially an entire car.
 
I would let the local sherriff when you are getting your car, and why

They will make sure you can take it, while it is still there

And do it soon
 
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