Purchase advise

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413 said:
Looks good in photos.

Since this was built a couple owners ago take every claim with a grain of salt. Verify what is there.

Look over this sheet metal work closely.

It was a racecar so all drivetrain has been swapped in.
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The guy who restored it bought it from the race guy and he gave it the restore and sold it to current owner. The restorer I spoke with fir like an hour. The guy was super excited about telling me the restore journey.

Thanks
 
JMO, $23k seems a little high for me. Being non matching drivetrain hurts some, being a 73 hurts some, but triple black adds to the value. I’d like to see you get it for under $20k.
 
cosgig said:
JMO, $23k seems a little high for me. Being non matching drivetrain hurts some, being a 73 hurts some, but triple black adds to the value. I’d like to see you get it for under $20k.
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Guess I live in a different world, These days 20K barely gets a paint job... So as I see it you get a free 340, free 4 Spd, pretty nice body, yes it's the less desirable beak model but many won't even notice, it's a cool classic car that's fun to drive, turns heads & should hold it's value unless there's hidden rust/damage that a personal inspection should reveal.....
 
1WildRT said:
Guess I live in a different world, These days 20K barely gets a paint job... So as I see it you get a free 340, free 4 Spd, pretty nice body, yes it's the less desirable beak model but many won't even notice, it's a cool classic car that's fun to drive, turns heads & should hold it's value unless there's hidden rust/damage that a personal inspection should reveal.....
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I’m not sure it’s not my “living in the past” old school mind that still thinks cars are not selling that high. Another thing is the replacement sheet metal that bugs me, and I have cars that have replacement sheet metal, or need it. But I don’t value them that high because of it. Of course, me valuing a car is all in the enjoyment it brings me, I’m never in it for resale, unless it’s a project car. Even then, I have to play with those before I sell em, it’s just the car guy in me.

I’d still like to see him get it for under $20k, it would please my soul and his that he’s not spending as much of his nest egg money for a hobby car, especially at 62. I wouldn’t want the car to be the reason he can’t tell the man “take this job and shove it” when that hits him.
 
matching numbers, matching numbers, matching numbers... Bah Humbug!!! There are plenty of buyers out there that don't give a whit about matching numbers. They want a cool car that is fun to drive and turns heads. I get publications that list sales of cars with detailed descriptions from the big auction houses. Many times these days resto-modded cars are fetching as much or more than their bone stock counterparts. Sure there is value in a reference car and actual numbers matching cars could have some extra worth if they were a particularly sought after car, but that doesn't mean that there aren't lots of folks that would love to have a car with minor modifications like yours. I'd rather have a 1970 340 than a 1973 340 all day long. There's no way to predict what that car, well maintained, might bring in 6 or 10 years, just like there's no way to tell if the bottom might fall out of the real estate market or the stock you hold. Like living in a great house brings rewards every day even if you never see it get sold, having a nice functioning muscle car can too.

Just to stir the pot... it used to be that a numbers matching car was an indication of how new and reliable the car was in terms of all it's mechanical systems. By now I would bet that 90% of numbers matching cars have had their engine and trans pulled and rebuilt, just like most of their other mechanical systems, Even if they only have low miles on the clock. I think in reality matching numbers is a long outdated measure of a cars originality or reliability.
 
cosgig said:
I’m not sure it’s not my “living in the past” old school mind that still thinks cars are not selling that high. Another thing is the replacement sheet metal that bugs me, and I have cars that have replacement sheet metal, or need it. But I don’t value them that high because of it. Of course, me valuing a car is all in the enjoyment it brings me, I’m never in it for resale, unless it’s a project car. Even then, I have to play with those before I sell em, it’s just the car guy in me.

I’d still like to see him get it for under $20k, it would please my soul and his that he’s not spending as much of his nest egg money for a hobby car, especially at 62. I wouldn’t want the car to be the reason he can’t tell the man “take this job and shove it” when that hits him.
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57 now so I have time to recoup. Told the wife another rental house or a car...lol.
 
cosgig said:
I’m not sure it’s not my “living in the past” old school mind that still thinks cars are not selling that high. Another thing is the replacement sheet metal that bugs me, and I have cars that have replacement sheet metal, or need it. But I don’t value them that high because of it. Of course, me valuing a car is all in the enjoyment it brings me, I’m never in it for resale, unless it’s a project car. Even then, I have to play with those before I sell em, it’s just the car guy in me.

I’d still like to see him get it for under $20k, it would please my soul and his that he’s not spending as much of his nest egg money for a hobby car, especially at 62. I wouldn’t want the car to be the reason he can’t tell the man “take this job and shove it” when that hits him.
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I get it & agree under $20K would be nice, but unfortunately I don't see it happening... It hasn't. been many years since a 72 & up E body couldn't pull $10K but times have changed & these days even in the A body world $20K just don't buy much.... Black/Black/Black 340 4spd... IMO this is a whole lotta fun & a lot of heads turned for not much $$$
 
By the way, try talking about matching numbers to one of our AMC muscle car era bretheren - I don't think their drive trains have any numbers to match, just like our rear differentials...
 
slapstickjim said:
57 now so I have time to recoup. Told the wife another rental house or a car...lol.
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Another rental house is probably the smart move though to be honest I sold my rental, every time I had to rebuild a house after a renter trashed it just pissed me off...

I'm the guy who puts together cruises every couple weeks for me & my friends so I probably want everyone to have & enjoy a old car more than most... We average 150+ miles every couple weeks with longer trips every couple months... We have lots of cars that aren't the most desirable models, they have as much fun as anyone.. Just find a group of friends with old car then come out & play..

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str12-340 said:
By the way, try talking about matching numbers to one of our AMC muscle car era bretheren - I don't think their drive trains have any numbers to match, just like our rear differentials...
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I could look at a couple of my blocks. I just do not know as my AMX is a hot rod and not the original motor. But it's fast and that is all I care about.
 
By the way if the car was put back together correctly and it's straight and has a professional paint job on it I think it a ok price as a friend paid 17k to get his car painted and it was in good shape to start with. ps He's just got too much money but that's what he paid. (he might be somewhat crazy). Drive it and if you like it offer 20, He'll probably take it and just drive it and enjoy.
 
If that body paint was done right and it runs good I think price is good. 23k doesn't usually get you much of a factory 340 4 spd these days non matching engine or not.

I think car will likely hold value. But if your looking at it from investment you have to factor in cost of insurance, cost to store, cost to maintain, tag renewal cost ect. The return on investment is the fun you have driving it and owning it.
 
Car sounds good, so,if it looks good do it.

Or you can watch the numbers in your retirement account tick up and down while you sit in the recliner.

Life's a garden, dig it!
 
1WildRT said:
Another rental house is probably the smart move though to be honest I sold my rental, every time I had to rebuild a house after a renter trashed it just pissed me off...

I'm the guy who puts together cruises every couple weeks for me & my friends so I probably want everyone to have & enjoy a old car more than most... We average 150+ miles every couple weeks with longer trips every couple months... We have lots of cars that aren't the most desirable models, they have as much fun as anyone.. Just find a group of friends with old car then come out & play..

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My kind of car people!
 
I don’t think matching #s means anything at all unless it is a high end investment grade car. I can’t imagine that it adds any value to a $20k car.
 
It's a "real" 340 4 speed car in an interesting and desirable color combo.

Not terribly priced in today's market...

...if the body is solid.

Black is VERY unforgiving.

I like it.
 
1973 DODGE DART SPORT 340 340-240hp (8cyl-4V) AT

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4spd manual trans    7%
Air conditioning    10%
Bucket seats    5%
Console w/shift    5%
Sunroof-sliding    15%

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slapstickjim said:
My brain and heart have been semi aggressive with retirement at 62 plan.. so hard to switch that mind set. I know this car will not have a massive return like my rental property has, just be nice that I'm not pissing 20k away
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Not sure what your plan for retirement includes, but I'd rather play with my toys than play with my money
 
No matter what you might pay, if you can afford it, just proceed with the purchase.

We all have different levels of discretionary income so what is a good price for someone may be foolish $$'s to another. I have a ton invested in my show pony 71 Demon 340 but since it ain't for sale, what does it matter so long as I have food and a roof over my head!

My input is if you like that style/year of car, and its condition is not hiding anything, and you can afford it, just do it!
 
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I will say.......
I have owned ???? many many dozen Mopars since the 80, never kept count, and so very few had matching #, that is the ones built after 67. RE stamped blocks by crooks does not count unless a GM guy. Correct is always good, # match is rare, except grandma's Slant six Dart. How many 69 Roadrunners out of what? 95,000 made, have #s drivetrain??? Answer: FEW!

Best way to never lose a $ on a classic Mopar? Buy one done, never have to spend a dime on it except 6 spark plugs, and 4 tires, enjoy it and know the classic car market goes up, down and sideways. Remember everything in Calif, can be vastly different than the rest of the country!

Investment? I will bet on rental property way before any classic car. Or maybe the high end (6) Wall Strret stocks??? DUNNO!!!!

Anyway, I wish you luck.
 
What about the other 2 spark plugs?


Acquire rental property to pay for cars.

MUCH easier than trying to do it the other way around.

If you're really in the zone- acquire commercial rental property and solve the storage/work space problem, too.
 
Its all about money... I'd hate to live like that; taking out my calculator to figure how much $$ I can make on everything I buy.
 
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