smlveightis
Confused in Confusion
I haven't seen much on here about this subject. Would like any input, pro's and con's of both, for powdercoat vs. painted steel rims in body color.
Powdercoat or paint?
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Michaeluser
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You can Powdercoat it flat.
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For your application I suggest you go with powder paint. It's far more chip resistant than wet paint.
sscuda
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Hey now, I've got like 4300 posts so saying there isn't much on the subject of powder coating is a bit of a stretch. LOL!!!! :-D
The "search" key can be your best friend. The paint vs. powder discussion has been going on for over forty years (well, maybe not here on FABO, but powder coating's been around for decades). It's not just gloss black anymore either. I have over 6,500 colors available and custom color matching on top of that.
FABO members get a 10% discount across the board from my shop, and Gold members save 20%. Expectations are exceeded rather than met; 9 out of 10 of my jobs come from FABO members and I wouldn't want it any other way ... I love working for you guys. :-D
Feel free to give me a call if I can help you out with your decision. You probably already know how I voted.
The "search" key can be your best friend. The paint vs. powder discussion has been going on for over forty years (well, maybe not here on FABO, but powder coating's been around for decades). It's not just gloss black anymore either. I have over 6,500 colors available and custom color matching on top of that.
FABO members get a 10% discount across the board from my shop, and Gold members save 20%. Expectations are exceeded rather than met; 9 out of 10 of my jobs come from FABO members and I wouldn't want it any other way ... I love working for you guys. :-D
Feel free to give me a call if I can help you out with your decision. You probably already know how I voted.
Powdercoat
HemiMark
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Powdercoat
is that a b body rear end?
Powder coating will stay with you a life time and if you do sell them they will hold there value :happy10:
I will never take the time and do all the prep it takes to paint wheels again just to see them look nasty with in a few weeks on the street
Phoenix Specialty Coatings saved a few of my part's life :read2:
CudaChick1968 makes it to easy on us to even think about painting :happy10:
I will never take the time and do all the prep it takes to paint wheels again just to see them look nasty with in a few weeks on the street
Phoenix Specialty Coatings saved a few of my part's life :read2:
CudaChick1968 makes it to easy on us to even think about painting :happy10:
smlveightis
Confused in Confusion
I appreciate all of the feedback on this. I've talked to many folks in my locale, but couldn't get a good feel for what most thought on this issue, or many had not had an experience to share. Figured I'd go with the folks that know the most, FABO members! Again, thanks.
ESP47
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Years ago this guy I worked with had an old VW bug and had painted his tail light bezels with different paints to see which one was better. One was with regular rattle can black dupli color and the other was with a rattle can called Appliance Epoxy that sells at Home Depot. He showed me the difference in the two and the duplicolor was faded and the appliance epoxy looked almost brand new.
So I painted my wheels with the appliance epoxy and 5 years later they still look great. The paint is also a lot tougher to chip than regular rattle can paint because of the epoxy nature to it. At $5 a can you can pretty much paint your wheels for $10. Beats the heck out of powder coating when it's almost as strong anyway. It only comes in black, white and cream though.
So I painted my wheels with the appliance epoxy and 5 years later they still look great. The paint is also a lot tougher to chip than regular rattle can paint because of the epoxy nature to it. At $5 a can you can pretty much paint your wheels for $10. Beats the heck out of powder coating when it's almost as strong anyway. It only comes in black, white and cream though.
smlveightis
Confused in Confusion
Leanna,
Sorry, was being lazy about the reading bit. Ha ha ha........
I would have you do them for me, but since returning to work (off for 16 months), I have been forking out cash like it's going out of style. My guess that shipping would be a couple of hundred alone? Anyway, was hoping to find someone locally for the paint/powdercoat process, but nobody will give me an God Blessed estimate until they see the color of the car, and I don't know anyone in the paint/powdercaot business. Ergggg............After talking to a reputable collision shop yesterday for paint (ballpark est. of $250 to $350), I dropped the rims off to him. His painter called me later in the afternoon about color and if I wanted the underside/backside, painted as well. I said yes. "This will double the painting process, I'll have to paint it twice" he stated. Now I'm starting to wonder if the price will be doubled as well. Of course the duribility is a factor in this, but was wondering about the cost as well. Again, I appreciate all of the input from you folks. Thanks.
Sorry, was being lazy about the reading bit. Ha ha ha........
I would have you do them for me, but since returning to work (off for 16 months), I have been forking out cash like it's going out of style. My guess that shipping would be a couple of hundred alone? Anyway, was hoping to find someone locally for the paint/powdercoat process, but nobody will give me an God Blessed estimate until they see the color of the car, and I don't know anyone in the paint/powdercaot business. Ergggg............After talking to a reputable collision shop yesterday for paint (ballpark est. of $250 to $350), I dropped the rims off to him. His painter called me later in the afternoon about color and if I wanted the underside/backside, painted as well. I said yes. "This will double the painting process, I'll have to paint it twice" he stated. Now I'm starting to wonder if the price will be doubled as well. Of course the duribility is a factor in this, but was wondering about the cost as well. Again, I appreciate all of the input from you folks. Thanks.
HotLines
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Powdercoating is great and even though it has been around for many decades the EPA had the public sector of the industry change its formula so to speak. Powdercoating is now polyester and has been for around fifteen years. I had my grill done 30 years ago and still looks new and nothing sticks to it unlike the newer coating. I manufactured a work cart for pinstripers and vehicle artists and had them powdercoated and yet paint sticks to this like there is no tomorrow. As a painter I prefer paint for wheels cause you nver know when you are gonna change something but hey, for a restoration Powdercoating works out well cept' for the purist who looks for authenticy.
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66cuda-s
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Sorry Leanna I have to add this...
I would have shipped my wheels to you, but as was mentioned earlier, the shipping cost would kill me.
A local powdercoat shop told me that they were $75 each. Wow, $300 for four. Then a friend told me that he had his dump truck wheels powdercoated at Les Schwab tire for $45 each, I thought that souns better. So I asked them - for my car they were $25 each (!!). $100 for four. I had them done and they look great. They have 5 or 6 color choices - I chose black.
I would have shipped my wheels to you, but as was mentioned earlier, the shipping cost would kill me.
A local powdercoat shop told me that they were $75 each. Wow, $300 for four. Then a friend told me that he had his dump truck wheels powdercoated at Les Schwab tire for $45 each, I thought that souns better. So I asked them - for my car they were $25 each (!!). $100 for four. I had them done and they look great. They have 5 or 6 color choices - I chose black.
No apologies necessary Frank! In this economy, all of us have to do whatever we can to save cash. When you compare the resto cost versus new rims, even $300 is pretty attractive nowadays.
I'm curious. Did they blast everything first and coat the entire rim or just the part that shows?
I'm curious. Did they blast everything first and coat the entire rim or just the part that shows?
mullinax95
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Powder coat flat black..... if that's the color you want to go with.
You all really don't have to apologize, seriously! Rims are heavy -- especially steelies -- and they cost a lot to ship ... especially when you consider sending them here and then shipping them back when they're done.
One of my customers lives in south Mississippi, not really that far from here in the grand scheme of things. The two 15x8 steel Gennie rims and two 15x10s for his Ford truck were almost a hundred dollars just to ship them one way.
Though I never fail to appreciate anyone's business (especially my FABO brothers'), I don't blame any of you for seeking out local coaters for that heavy stuff. Even my member discount won't shave the price that much. We all have to try to save our pennies these days and I don't begrudge anyone for doing so.
Just remember though ... any qualified coater can powder your parts in the color you want. But I restore them. :-D
One of my customers lives in south Mississippi, not really that far from here in the grand scheme of things. The two 15x8 steel Gennie rims and two 15x10s for his Ford truck were almost a hundred dollars just to ship them one way.
Though I never fail to appreciate anyone's business (especially my FABO brothers'), I don't blame any of you for seeking out local coaters for that heavy stuff. Even my member discount won't shave the price that much. We all have to try to save our pennies these days and I don't begrudge anyone for doing so.
Just remember though ... any qualified coater can powder your parts in the color you want. But I restore them. :-D
blackbomber
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Somewhat off topic, but I have noticed many OE alloys (BMW comes to mind, because I have owned them) powdercoat the wheel first, then paint the outside silver. It works out to having a painted finish that is also very durable, since most alloy wheel paint failures come from oxidation from stone chips. I'm imagining a quality paint job on a steel rim would fail for the same reason.
For an all out concourse restoration, I would paint. For a street driven car, powder coating makes a lot of sense. Either way, the stripping is a hassle. I have access to sand and glassbead cabinets. I also have the HF 15lb soda blaster. It's a big hassle. The last three sets I did, I used a Dewalt cup brush on my angle grinder. Faster, and you don't need to worry about sand getting trapped in between the center and outer rim seam (all sets were prior to getting the soda blaster, but that does nothing on rust anyway). Letting a pro handle the entire job frees up your time for the precious detail work that shops hate because they can't charge enough, and we would rather do ourselves anyhow. I'll still continue to do my own wheels, because I am cheap, and like to have the pride of doing it myself. It took the better part of a day to do my rallys, though.
For an all out concourse restoration, I would paint. For a street driven car, powder coating makes a lot of sense. Either way, the stripping is a hassle. I have access to sand and glassbead cabinets. I also have the HF 15lb soda blaster. It's a big hassle. The last three sets I did, I used a Dewalt cup brush on my angle grinder. Faster, and you don't need to worry about sand getting trapped in between the center and outer rim seam (all sets were prior to getting the soda blaster, but that does nothing on rust anyway). Letting a pro handle the entire job frees up your time for the precious detail work that shops hate because they can't charge enough, and we would rather do ourselves anyhow. I'll still continue to do my own wheels, because I am cheap, and like to have the pride of doing it myself. It took the better part of a day to do my rallys, though.
So I painted my wheels with the appliance epoxy and 5 years later they still look great. The paint is also a lot tougher to chip than regular rattle can paint because of the epoxy nature to it. At $5 a can you can pretty much paint your wheels for $10. Beats the heck out of powder coating when it's almost as strong anyway. It only comes in black, white and cream though.[/QUOTE]
Agree, appliance paint works very good. Great low cost alternative.
Powder does beat it though but don't rule this stuff out.
Agree, appliance paint works very good. Great low cost alternative.
Powder does beat it though but don't rule this stuff out.
66cuda-s
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They blasted everything and coated the entire rim inside and out. On one of the rims, there was some rust on the bead seal that I should have sanded first, it is a bit rough. But with the powdercoating on it, it seals great.
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