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ATLANTA (AP) — Health officials have begun to predict the end of cigarette smoking in America.

They have long wished for a cigarette-free America, but shied away from calling for smoking rates to fall to zero or near zero by any particular year. The power of tobacco companies and popularity of their products made such a goal seem like a pipe dream.

But a confluence of changes has recently prompted public health leaders to start throwing around phrases like "endgame" and "tobacco-free generation." Now, they talk about the slowly-declining adult smoking rate dropping to 10 percent in the next decade and to 5 percent or lower by 2050.

Acting U.S. Surgeon General Boris Lushniak last month released a 980-page report on smoking that pushed for stepped-up tobacco-control measures. His news conference was an unusually animated showing of anti-smoking bravado, with Lushniak nearly yelling, repeatedly, "Enough is enough!"

"I can't accept that we're just allowing these numbers to trickle down," he said, in a recent interview with the AP. "We believe we have the public health tools to get us to the zero level."

This is not the first time a federal health official has spoken so boldly. In 1984, Surgeon General C. Everett Koop called for a "smoke-free society" by the year 2000. However, Koop — a bold talker on many issues — didn't offer specifics on how to achieve such a goal.

"What's different today is that we have policies and programs that have been proven to drive down tobacco use," said Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. "We couldn't say that in 1984."
Among the things that have changed:

—Cigarette taxes have increased around the country, making smokes more expensive. Though prices vary from state to state, on average a pack of cigarettes that would have sold for about $1.75 20 years ago would cost more than triple that now.

—Laws banning smoking in restaurants, bars and workplaces have popped up all over the country. Airline flights have long been off-limits for smoking.

—Polls show that cigarette smoking is no longer considered normal behavior, and is now less popular among teens than marijuana.

—Federal officials are increasingly aggressive about anti-smoking advertising. The Food and Drug Administration launched a new youth tobacco prevention campaign last week. At about the same time, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention debuted a third, $60-million round of its successful anti-tobacco ad campaign — this one featuring poignant, deathbed images of a woman featured in earlier ads.

—Tobacco companies, once considered impervious to legal attack, have suffered some huge defeats in court. Perhaps the biggest was the 1998 settlement of a case brought by more than 40 states demanding compensation for the costs of treating smoking-related illnesses. Big Tobacco agreed to pay about $200 billion and curtail marketing of cigarettes to youths.

—Retailing of cigarettes is changing, too. CVS Caremark, the nation's second-largest pharmacy chain, announced last week it will stop selling tobacco products at its more than 7,600 drugstores. The company said it made the decision in a bid to focus more on providing health care, but medical and public health leaders predicted pressure will increase on companies like Walgreen Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to follow suit.

"I do think, in another few years, that pharmacies selling cigarettes will look as anachronistic" as old cigarette ads featuring physician endorsements look today, said CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden.

These developments have made many in public health dream bigger. It's caused Myers' organization and others to recently tout the goal of bringing the adult smoking rate down to 10 percent by 2024, from the current 18 percent. That would mean dropping it at twice the speed it declined over the last 10 years.

The bigger goal is to reduce U.S. smoking-related deaths to fewer than 10,000, from the current level of 480,000. But even if smoking rates dropped to zero immediately, it would take decades to see that benefit, since smoking-triggered cancers can take decades to develop.

But while some experts and advocates are swinging for the fences, others are more pessimistic. They say the key to reaching such goals is not simply more taxes and more local smoking bans, but action by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to regulate smoking.

A 2009 federal law gave the FDA the authority to regulate tobacco products. The law barred FDA from outright blocking the sale of cigarettes, but the agency was free to take such pivotal steps as prohibiting the use of appealing menthol flavoring in cigarettes and requiring cigarette makers to ratchet down the amount of addictive nicotine in each smoke.

But nearly five years after gaining power over cigarettes, FDA has yet to even propose such regulations. Agency officials say they're working on it.
Many believe FDA's delay is driven by defense preparations for an anticipated battery of legal and political challenges.

A spokesman for Altria Group Inc., the maker of Marlboro, said the company supports FDA exercising its regulatory authority over tobacco products. But as a whole, the industry has tended to fight regulation. Some of the nation's largest tobacco companies — though not Altria — sued to stop FDA-proposed graphic warning labels on cigarette packs. A federal court blocked the ads.
"The industry makes money as long as they can delay regulation," said Kenneth Warner, a University of Michigan public health professor who is a leading authority on smoking and health.

Warner and Michigan colleague David Mendez estimate that, barring any major new tobacco control victories, the adult smoking rate will drop from its current 18 percent only to about 12 percent by 2050. If health officials do make huge strides, the rate could drop as low as 6 percent, they think.

But Lushniak said zero. Will that ever happen?

Some experts doubt it. As long as cigarettes and other combustible tobacco products are legal, it's likely some people will smoke them. Efforts to prohibit them are likely to fail, they say. (Remember Prohibition?)


"It's hard to do a ban on cigarettes because you're taking something away from people they have and are using. Once you have something, you hold tight," said Richard Daynard, a Northeastern University law professor who focuses on tobacco issues.

Better, he said, to bar people from having a product in the first place. He is intrigued by legal efforts in Singapore and a handful of other countries to ban sales of tobacco to anyone born after a certain year — 2000, say. That would be constitutional, he said. The question is: Would our culture accept it?
Probably not,
said Ruth Malone, editor-in-chief of the scientific journal Tobacco Control.

"In our culture, we tend to think we have a right to things even if they're terrible for us," she said.

A growing number of experts believe the most promising option is to get people to switch voluntarily to something else, like electronic cigarettes.

Electronic cigarettes are battery-powered devices that provide users with aerosol puffs that typically contain nicotine, and sometimes flavorings like fruit, mint or chocolate. They've often been described as a less dangerous alternative to regular cigarettes. But there are few studies exploring exactly what chemicals are in them, and in what concentrations, and whether those levels are harmful.

They're controversial: Some experts believe that at a time when cigarette smoking has finally become passe in popular culture, e-cigarettes may re-glamorize puffing away in public places. Cigarette sales could surge.
"It could go in either direction," said John Seffrin, the American Cancer Society's chief executive officer.

But if the FDA can ratchet down nicotine in conventional cigarettes to levels below what's in e-cigarettes, perhaps everyone who clings to smoking will switch to the higher-nicotine new products. That could achieve the end of smoking, at least of combustible, carcinogen-filled cigarettes — or so the thinking goes.

In the past, "the country really wasn't ready" to walk away from cigarettes," Daynard said. "I think the country's ready now."


http://news.yahoo.com/experts-increasingly-contemplate-end-smoking-223948022.html
 
What a crock of Liberal propaganda ****, just like global warming......
 
Making laws against behavior doesn't work (think prohibition.) I would think if it became too hard to buy cigarettes and I wanted to smoke, I would buy tobacco and roll my own, like my Grandpa used to do before he quit.
 
Making laws against behavior doesn't work (think prohibition.) I would think if it became too hard to buy cigarettes and I wanted to smoke, I would buy tobacco and roll my own, like my Grandpa used to do before he quit.

Don't have an iron in this fire but I agree with David.

With the amount of money that is spent on tobacco....and the greed that goes along with many of those folks that have the money, seriously doubt this will ever happen.
 
if they want to do something proper ban some of the chemicals they use in the cigs. that makes more sense than anything. How about pure tobacco and paper instead of the hundred of chemicals put into it and even grown in...
 
The new discrimination, We`ll price them out to quit. We won`t let them smoke in buildings and public. We`ll shame them to every extent available.
We`ll show the disgusting commercials with people with holes in their neck, to scare them to quit.
:violent1:
 
Ed has the right idea^^

Even if they ban cigarettes I guess that will be an excuse for me to quit and a further excuse to be pissed about more and more of our freedoms to be taken away from us.
 
Now they want to control you and what you do with your body.


Does that sound like "Freedom"?
 
The government collects about $44 Billion in taxes from tobacco. $3.78 (or 66 percent of the cost) of every pack sold (2012 data). Where will they get that money from when everyone quits??
 
The government collects about $44 Billion in taxes from tobacco. $3.78 (or 66 percent of the cost) of every pack sold (2012 data). Where will they get that money from when everyone quits??

print it!!!:cheers:
 
I think they are not doing enough! The definition of addiction includes that the victim can not stop without help.
 
The government collects about $44 Billion in taxes from tobacco. $3.78 (or 66 percent of the cost) of every pack sold (2012 data). Where will they get that money from when everyone quits??

the mucho amounts there gonna make by legalizing weed.

im a smoker I barley smoke anymore 1cigg a day I see nothing wrong with eciggs id love to stop buying real ciggs if they could put the real tabacco flavor in the eciggs ,they taste distugusting. full flavor ends up tasting like im smoking copenhagen
 
The government collects about $44 Billion in taxes from tobacco. $3.78 (or 66 percent of the cost) of every pack sold (2012 data). Where will they get that money from when everyone quits??


Don't worry about that....


Since when has the government NOT been able to figure out new and exciting ways to increase our taxes???


They'll think of another tax for us to pay. Guaranteed...


Not to mention voting to give themselves a raise.... The only issue that the Democrats and Republicans will all vote "YES" on.... (Has one of them EVER voted "NO")?
 
While I don't put it past this government to attempt behavior modification, especially in light of the O-care law, I do, however, see a conflict for the political Left in that the purchase/use/ purchase of cigarettes generates a ton of tax revenue both via sales, and in the embedded taxes in a pack of cigarettes that are accumulated in the growing of tobacco, and the manufacture of cigarettes.

I doubt that this government will be so willing to lose that revenue, plus the billions in income tax revenues lost, and the millions of jobs from tobacco fields to point of sale.
There is a lot more involved in quitting smoking than just good judgement, the finances of forcing such a prohibition is phenomenal whether it works, or not.
...and that doesn't take into consideration the extra costs of dealing with the resulting black market, the sheer number of criminals such stupidity will create.
 
the mucho amounts there gonna make by legalizing weed.

im a smoker I barley smoke anymore 1cigg a day I see nothing wrong with eciggs id love to stop buying real ciggs if they could put the real tabacco flavor in the eciggs ,they taste distugusting. full flavor ends up tasting like im smoking copenhagen
:wack: I didn`t read all of the above posts, but did you know that the gov. is still subsidising the tobacco industry? as like they do almost every country in the world. do you know that hussien obama has given 1.9 billion to the muslim brotherhood at least twice that I know of?:wack:
 
The thing that urks me about tobacco as a substance, is that you don't get anything out of it, other than a short lapse in time before withdrawal.

I think that this is the most overlooked and largest bearing factor in this debate. It's just a stupid drug that has nearly as many and as serious negative side effects as some narcotics that are already outlawed, so why the hell not? At least with other addictive drugs that are outlawed narcotics, like cocaine or ******, you'll sustain a high and get something out of it for your money.

Truth be told, in the end, people who use tobacco, spend as much, if not more money, by the end of their shortened life, when compared to users/ purchasers of life shortening narcotics. It's just strung out over a longer period of time.

So why not? We can look at both sides of the coin, but if you want to call this a liberty of sorts, which I suppose it is, you have the liberty to spend money on it now, why not lift other bans, like cannabis and other illegal drugs/ narcotics and let people moderate themselves? How far do we go in either direction?
 
why not lift other bans, like cannabis and other illegal drugs/ narcotics and let people moderate themselves? How far do we go in either direction?

Uh.. Um.... Isn't it legal to smoke cannibis in your state now for recreation?

People are going to do what they want no matter if it is good or bad for them and even if told not to. We all know how "Prohibition" turned out....

Pretty soon they will give us an instructions sheet when we are born saying this is how you have to live your life.....


My grandfather died from Emphysema at 6AM on Christmas day when I was 7 years old. That ruined our Christmas.

I was so happy to hear that R. J. Reynolds Jr. died from emphysema also. After seeing what it did to my grandfather, he deserved the same suffering.


But we've pushed the smokers around quite a bit. They can't smoke on planes, or anywhere in public anymore. They have to stand out in the cold outside in a "time out". The inconvenience to the non smoker is gone now. Why do we have to push the smokers around any more? They are going to do it whether we want them to or not. We have no right to tell others how to live their lives. It's THEIR life, not OURS/YOURS. They have to suffer the consequences of their actions.

My brother was an EMT for a while. He once was on a call for a very obese guy that took like 4 EMT's to move. The guy hadn't been out of the house for years. On the ride to the hospital he said, "Please don't let me die, I don't want to die..." It was too late, he already had done the damage. He later died from a heart attack that night. So do we ban deserts? They have no nutritional value. They are not good for us, but we eat them anyway.

Do teenagers not have sex because we tell them not to? NO! They are going to do it no matter what we say. At least encourage them to practice safe sex if they are going to have it. There will still be some that don't. Hopefully they won't have to learn the hard way after they catch something that they can't get rid of. Should we make it illegal for them to have sex? They will still do it.
 
That's what I was getting at. No matter which side of the coin you're on, people will do whatever they like/ please.

Clearly, it didn't stop anyone here from smoking cannabis, or in Washington, for that matter.

Regardless of what "liberties" we have, or call it what you will, tobacco is just a lousy drug. It's pretty useless and doesn't do much positive, for the set of negative repercussions it gives.

Everyone is subject to their own vices. Desserts, alcohol, sex, you name it. Some people are addicted to eating toilet paper and even pieces of car tires. It's still perfectly legal to blow cigarette smoke in your kid's face, in the privacy of your own home, to a certain degree of exposure.

Honestly, I hate cannabis, but I drink once in a while. Go figure. I'm friends with people who won't touch a bottle, but smoke all the time. To each their own, but the problem with tobacco is very unique to it's circumstances. Both with political and with health issues, when compared to other vices, and those circumstances outline the reason for the abrasive reaction, like your example given about your dad. Sorry to hear that, by the way.

So, I don't see this as a move to push smokers around, so much as it's a move away from something that really doesn't do anyone any good, even in the short game. I can walk away from booze. I go months without drinking, if I don't feel like it. I can say the same with smoking cannabis. I haven't touched it in years, because I don't like it. People struggle to quit narcotics like ****** and cocaine. I don't think any substance that has such a consistent addictive property, between any two different people, should be sold to the masses, and I think that's what this boils down to.

There are alcoholics, dessert-o-holics, sex-o-holics, yeah, but between any two given, random people, they will likely react differently to the like vices. This is not the case at all with tobacco. It reflects the same addictive social measurements on any random person as some narcotics.
 
If I really had to think about it, even if the health issues were the same, with the exception of it's addictive properties, I don't think that this would be such a huge problem in the world, today, if at all, considering how liberal everyone is going with everything else, from widening liquor sales on days and at times they didn't before, and everything else with Colorado and Washington.

Imagine that you get the same calming buzz off of a smoke, but had no urge to smoke another, beyond, say, the same urge you would get to eat dessert or do anything else that you liked, but weren't addicted to. That is, in my opinion, why this issue even exists. It has little to do with the health issue and everything to do with how we handle dealing with addiction on a massive scale.
 
I would think if it became too hard to buy cigarettes and I wanted to smoke, I would buy tobacco and roll my own, like my Grandpa used to do before he quit.

I've been more or less doing that for two and a half years now. I bought a "machine" that fills the paper tubes. Cost of the tobacco and the tubes works out to less than 2 bucks a pack, versus over 6 bucks a pack to buy them. Been a 2 pack a dayer for over 25 years.
 
Just FYI: Cigarettes in Cook County, IL are close to $10 per pack now.


We can go to Indiana and get them for about $5.50 per pack.


Cook County loves it's "sin taxes"...


That's why we call it "Crook County"....

Cook County covers all of Chicago and quite a few of the suburbs.
 
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