Help! 360LA to A903/3 on tree

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Hello folks and Merry Christmas! Here is the low down; 1968 Plymouth Valiant 100 with a 170\3 on the tree(A903 transmission) with 3.23 rear gear. I am wanting to connect my transmission along with the 3 on tree shifting to a 360LA motor I am currently building with my son. It's already been recommended that I use bell housing #2780902. Any further help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
I don't think an A-903 will live 30 seconds behind a 360; I believe they were only used in Slant Six cars, and even if it would live, the gear spacing is awful. I'd be looking at a V8 3-speed (A230?) at the very least.
 
I don't think an A-903 will live 30 seconds behind a 360; I believe they were only used in Slant Six cars, and even if it would live, the gear spacing is awful. I'd be looking at a V8 3-speed (A230?) at the very least.

Agreed. The 903 is a weenie trans, and does NOT have a synchronized first gear, which is a major PITA. Ask me how I know... :eek:

I will be swapping out my 903 for an A833 OD and can't wait to be able do downshift to first while on the move.
 
Excellent advice. I would highly recommend either the heavy duty A230 three speed or straight to the A833 four speed.
 
I never realized the old "crashbox" low gear was so weak. How did it compare, to say, the Chev 3 speed of which I broke about 12 back "then?"
 
I don't think an A-903 will live 30 seconds behind a 360; I believe they were only used in Slant Six cars, and even if it would live, the gear spacing is awful. I'd be looking at a V8 3-speed (A230?) at the very least.
I understand, but what else is needed? To put it behind the 360?
 
I may change to A230, but definitely want to keep the three on the tree. I am trying to figure out what all I need.

The A230 is a DIRECT swap. Three on the tree and all. We're tellin you what all you need.
 
I understand, but what else is needed? To put it behind the 360?

360 externally balanced flywheel, matching clutch, small block three speed bellhousing. I think the two transmissions are the same length, so the same drive shaft will fit. If the A230 you find does not have the column shift levers on the side, you will need to transfer those on the 903 to the A230. I think the speedometer cable is also a direct swap.
 
Agreed. The 903 is a weenie trans, and does NOT have a synchronized first gear, which is a major PITA. Ask me how I know... :eek:

I will be swapping out my 903 for an A833 OD and can't wait to be able do downshift to first while on the move.

The non synchro first gear never bothered me. Just don't rush it trying to put it in first and you're good. I just wait till I am at a stop before I drop it in and all is well. I like mine, but as I upgrade, it's gonna get the heave ho. lol
 
360 externally balanced flywheel, matching clutch, small block three speed bellhousing. I think the two transmissions are the same length, so the same drive shaft will fit. If the A230 you find does not have the column shift levers on the side, you will need to transfer those on the 903 to the A230. I think the speedometer cable is also a direct swap.
Thanks Rusty. That's what I am trying to figure out!
 
The A230 is the one you want. It was used as the standard transmission behind 340's. Remember in the early 70's a 4 speed was optional in Dusters and Demons. It is beefy enough to hold up to a small block. But....in those cars it had a floor shifter, not column shifted. And it is fully synchronized. I think the BH used was the same as a 4 speed. Could be the one with dual transmission bolt patterns but common input bearing housing diameter.

The older one is NON-synchro in first gear and the other synchro are very small and weak. It's about 3/4 scale of a real transmission and It is harder to get parts.

You may have to create a mongrel here. Adapting your column shifter to a newer transmission that was floor shifted. Be prepared to possibly having to modify your existing shifter rods to work. Also, eliminating the rubber isolators and replacing them with more precise brass or plastic bearings will help. Double shear clevises maybe.

As stated, Wayne Brewer or his son Dan may be able to help you plan this out. Also Jamie Passon does not really deal in 3 speeds. (I've asked)

My opinion.....I understand your desire to keep your column shifter but forget about speed shifting. That will kinda negate the impact of your 360. Missed shifts, jammed linkage, stuff like that is what you'll get. I'll be impressed if you pull this off.
 
The A230 is the one you want. It was used as the standard transmission behind 340's. Remember in the early 70's a 4 speed was optional in Dusters and Demons. It is beefy enough to hold up to a small block. But....in those cars it had a floor shifter, not column shifted. And it is fully synchronized. I think the BH used was the same as a 4 speed. Could be the one with dual transmission bolt patterns but common input bearing housing diameter.

The older one is NON-synchro in first gear and the other synchro are very small and weak. It's about 3/4 scale of a real transmission and It is harder to get parts.

You may have to create a mongrel here. Adapting your column shifter to a newer transmission that was floor shifted. Be prepared to possibly having to modify your existing shifter rods to work. Also, eliminating the rubber isolators and replacing them with more precise brass or plastic bearings will help. Double shear clevises maybe.

As stated, Wayne Brewer or his son Dan may be able to help you plan this out. Also Jamie Passon does not really deal in 3 speeds. (I've asked)

My opinion.....I understand your desire to keep your column shifter but forget about speed shifting. That will kinda negate the impact of your 360. Missed shifts, jammed linkage, stuff like that is what you'll get. I'll be impressed if you pull this off.
Thanks!
 
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