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So I'm looking at building a 30x56x12 shop. I've been getting estimates back and am curious as to what others have done.

1: Pole barn, using treated 6x6 and 8x8 posts. pre-engineered trusses, 2x4 purlins and metal roof and siding. 4 week lead time for trusses, everything else instock 27,000 with concrete. Materials only- no labor


2: Red iron high span. 37,000 not counting labor or concrete. 150 mph wind rated, solid steel i beam structure. 18 week lead time. figure 6500 in concrete making this total 43,500 before labor
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3: metal studded, metal sided bolted to a concrete slab. supposedly rated for 140 mph winds but to me, looks like a carport with metal for sides: 4-6 week lead time. 16,000 installed, only not counting concrete. Customizable Building Solutions at Grizzly Steel Structures

Labor for pole barns in my area is roughly 7 dollars a sq ft. so add 20K in labor to 1 and 2 unless i build solo. Ignoring the cost difference, I'd like opinions as to the long term quality. Of course,
 
A big enough tornado will blow away anything, even a 100 mph straight wind.

Over the decades, I have had 50-60- x 100-120 foot indoor arenas, all pole barn construction on down to 40 x 40 etc pole barn garages.

I have built many pole barn garages, sheds, etc all by myself years ago. My way to go.

Concrete is crazy high.

Tx. loves to build pout of oil stem and home made steel trusses. Cs, Zs for perlins. Here (Tx.) labor is too high, overpaid and under worked.
 
I don’t know where NO is located but it could depend on your location

I built a 36x50x16
My contractor used a Troyer kit
Used the Troyer install team as well
I couldn’t be happier with the results

My shop is similar to your 1st choice but with some more options added

I’ll send you some pics when I get home from work
They are all in my iPad at home

Tommy
 
Go with as big a door as you can fit in it
My friends recommended to go with 10 x8 or 9
I went with 9x8 to save some money
I should have spent an extra 1,000 bucks and bought the 10s instead
Just for a safety margin when driving in
Take my advice go big as possible on the doors
My walk in door is perfect
It’s 42 inches wide
Very nice to have a wide , steel walk in door

Tommy
 

barbee6043 said:
A big enough tornado will blow away anything, even a 100 mph straight wind.

Over the decades, I have had 50-60- x 100-120 foot indoor arenas, all pole barn construction on down to 40 x 40 etc pole barn garages.

I have built many pole barn garages, sheds, etc all by myself years ago. My way to go.

Concrete is crazy high.

Tx. loves to build pout of oil stem and home made steel trusses. Cs, Zs for perlins. Here (Tx.) labor is too high, overpaid and under worked.
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I have built 4. just trying to decide if I want to build it myself and save 20K.
 
Are tornados an issue in your area?

If so might want to look at structures that are more tornado resistant.
 
Dana67Dart said:
Are tornados an issue in your area?

If so might want to look at structures that are more tornado resistant.
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absolutely they are. we've dodged a few already the last couple years

Nothing is tornado proof though.
 
Dig a hole 40 x 40 x 20 deep.
Drive ramp down to it concrete walls and roof.
 
Mr. Wolfie said:
Dig a hole 40 x 40 x 20 deep.
Drive ramp down to it concrete walls and roof.
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I would if I could... water table for one, bedrock for another. we got down to 10 feet on the house build and that was a PITA to dig out. ran into a slate rock layer with soapstone on both sides of it plus sticky clay.
 
Sketch out your work space, storage space, etc.
You can do floor space with cardboard cutouts on quad rule paper.
Lift? Hoist? how much hieght is needed?

Is one big open space the goal? Otherwise break it up. It will save on heating/cooling and means you don't have to do it in one shot.
it's nice to have a clean area, or other way around - a place to remove rust, grind etc. Aeway from paint, or carb work or engine work etc
 
Mattax said:
Sketch out your work space, storage space, etc.
You can do floor space with cardboard cutouts on quad rule paper.
Lift? Hoist? how much hieght is needed?

Is one big open space the goal? Otherwise break it up. It will save on heating/cooling and means you don't have to do it in one shot.
it's nice to have a clean area, or other way around - a place to remove rust, grind etc. Aeway from paint, or carb work or engine work etc
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oh i can do you one better, I have a CAD file drawn up. Let me get it converted and uploaded to a 3D viewer. BRB
 
Desoto291hemi said:
Well
You could always form and pour the walls like a condo

It would be wind proof then

Tommy
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quick math on that. that'd be roughly 80 yards of concrete. that'd be nearly 16K in concrete. That's actually not a very bad idea after all. Hmmmmmm.. more research on that coming! Thanks!!
 
If the size is the same, then the only question is about the height. 16' could allow room for a 'loft' where you don't have a lift or exhaust needs.

I think you would be miserable half the summer and half the winter working in a metal sided building unless its insulated and covered in plywood or similar interior sheathing. Might be harder to seal out vermin.
 
Mattax said:
If the size is the same, then the only question is about the height. 16' could allow room for a 'loft' where you don't have a lift or exhaust needs.

I think you would be miserable half the summer and half the winter working in a metal sided building unless its insulated and covered in plywood or similar interior sheathing. Might be harder to seal out vermin.
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I agree. Long term plans would be to insulate and panel the insides. I'm pretty much in the position of option 1 at this point.
 
Option one seems more easily modifiied with dividing walls, windows, etc. Look into what would be needed with bracing and anchors to make it more hurricane resistant. Plan on a storm shutters or panels for the windows. If I was going from scratch, I'd do what i could to have natural light in work areas.
 
My 26x30x10 Carolina Carport metal building/pole barn (no slab) was installed around 2008 and has been through three hurricanes, and monster tropical storm Sandy.

I paid extra for closer stud spacing, and thicker gauge metal.
 
dukeboy440 said:
quick math on that. that'd be roughly 80 yards of concrete. that'd be nearly 16K in concrete. That's actually not a very bad idea after all. Hmmmmmm.. more research on that coming! Thanks!!
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I didn’t pour my walls
However
I do have 85 yards in the slab and the ramp to it
So I definitely know what you’re talking about
Lol

Tommy
 
You can get a look at my 30x40 at marks garage in the members garage section. It's 2x4 walls with 2x6 trusses covered with steel on a concrete slab with a huge overhead door. You can also see it's packed tight. It's built in a storage condo community, I own the building and have rights to the land as a Tennant in common. My taxes are $600-700 a year and my condo association fee is 320 a year which pays for snow plowing the main roads and mow the lawn. Quite frankly, I don't know how they do it for so little. I paid 54k in 2007 and as of 2024 it was valued at 100-110k by a real estate broker that happens to own a few in the community. At no time since I bought it has it been valued at less than I paid for it, even in 2009. Most of these units sell on the secondary market by word of mouth in a week or less.

My only wish is that it was larger
 
I have had many "barns" ( garage) over the decades. If I were to build one today or such a size, I would have an "enclosed" area with a concrete floor separate form the rest with a dirt floor, insulated with a window AC/heat unit. I would put the lift outside! It would be drive thru, with work bench/tool chests on one side wall. Like maybe 16-20 foot wide.
I am too old to come close to building even a chicken coup today! but with todays prices for labor and the stupidity in this world, I would cringe at having to pay to done! (but I am also cheap and have a hammer, skill saw, and a chain saw! and two tape measurers, (I always lose one!)
 
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