64 push button 904

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Hey guys i got a 1964 dodge dart and my reverse has went out around the same time as my third gear in drive. i took a drive about 50 miles out to riverside ca then when i took off home reverse was hard to engage without giving it some gas then i notice third gear went out but it still shifts from first to second but no second to third i was hoping i need to adjust my push button cable into the trans but i dont think its going to be that simple im thinking its time for a rebuild what about you guys?
 
It could easily be that simple. First, just try just moving the shifter around, with the handle pulled back so it moves freely. The shifter has detents and the tranny valve body has its own detents. The task in adjusting the cable is the get the two to align. I never had much luck using the FSM's "count holes" method. I like to adjust the cable when the pan is off for a fluid change and I can see the detents on the "rooster comb" from below and insure everything aligns.

A small data point. The tranny in our 1996 minivan stopped working in reverse just before a road trip. I had to be real careful not to park where I couldn't roll it back by hand. That is a 3-spd "Torque-flite" tranny (A-413), almost identical inside to a 1966+ 904 (i.e. lever shift w/ internal parking rod). I later tore it down for forensics (after installing a used one) and found the L/R servo had a torn rubber piston seal. I could have replaced that from below. Anyway, I later rebuilt it and found the clutch plates almost worn and their inner teeth worn to triangles which would soon slip.

That said, your tranny is not hard to rebuild, and requires no special tools, just large flat screwdrivers and big snap ring pliers. But do get the rebuild manual since clear step-step w/ many drawings. I bought a rebuild kit for my 64 & 65 904 for $50 on ebay (w/ steels). I recall rockauto has shown it off and on for ~$70. Yours has the multi-wrap band, so insure you turn the adjustment screw per FSM (5.25 turns?), not the ~2.5 turns for later single-wrap bands (unless you install one of those). There are also a few upgrade kits you can get (shift kit, ...). One upgrade is a longer servo piston that can't **** in its bore, which could be your problem.
 
The component which is common to 3rd & reverse gear is the front (Reverse/High Clutch). This is normally the first thing to give out on a tired trans.
Because you say both reverse & 3rd went out around the same time, I reckon your front clutch is toast.
Could be caused by a leaky reverse/high clutch piston seal.....Time to tear into it.
 
It could easily be that simple. First, just try just moving the shifter around, with the handle pulled back so it moves freely. The shifter has detents and the tranny valve body has its own detents. The task in adjusting the cable is the get the two to align. I never had much luck using the FSM's "count holes" method. I like to adjust the cable when the pan is off for a fluid change and I can see the detents on the "rooster comb" from below and insure everything aligns.

A small data point. The tranny in our 1996 minivan stopped working in reverse just before a road trip. I had to be real careful not to park where I couldn't roll it back by hand. That is a 3-spd "Torque-flite" tranny (A-413), almost identical inside to a 1966+ 904 (i.e. lever shift w/ internal parking rod). I later tore it down for forensics (after installing a used one) and found the L/R servo had a torn rubber piston seal. I could have replaced that from below. Anyway, I later rebuilt it and found the clutch plates almost worn and their inner teeth worn to triangles which would soon slip.

That said, your tranny is not hard to rebuild, and requires no special tools, just large flat screwdrivers and big snap ring pliers. But do get the rebuild manual since clear step-step w/ many drawings. I bought a rebuild kit for my 64 & 65 904 for $50 on ebay (w/ steels). I recall rockauto has shown it off and on for ~$70. Yours has the multi-wrap band, so insure you turn the adjustment screw per FSM (5.25 turns?), not the ~2.5 turns for later single-wrap bands (unless you install one of those). There are also a few upgrade kits you can get (shift kit, ...). One upgrade is a longer servo piston that can't **** in its bore, which could be your problem.
okay cool thanks for the info ya im just going to pull it out and try to rebuild that damn thing do you know where i could find a repair book for the a904?
 
According to my notes, there is at least one free manual floating around on the internet named "ATGS_Torqueflight_A-727_A-904.pdf" or "ATSG_A999_A904T.pdf".
I won't comment on the ethics of downloading it.
I think it is more tech info than step-step.
There are some tear-down videos on youtube.
I expect you could buy used rebuild manuals on Amazon or ebay.
The one I used for my A-413 was very detailed, and you can find on Neon websites. I understand it is very close to a 904, but don't know all the differences.
 
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