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house A/C works well but the outdoor unit has a "liquid" coming out from the unit. I saw the same thing when I was cleaner the condensor(?). the liquid is clear on the concrete and not oily which was my first thought. poorly insulted tubing condensing outdoor humidity? Thanks!
 
It's typical condensation, all units do that, even our automotive units. Also, remember that ac units are designed to reduce inside temperature by 15-20* cooler than the outside temperature. If you run your unit to hard the A coil can freeze up causing the unit to shut down and this can cause problems. It's important to keep the filter clean as well as the outside coils by using the garden hose but don't clean them when they are hot as the sudden change in temperature change can cause them to split.
 
house A/C works well but the outdoor unit has a "liquid" coming out from the unit. I saw the same thing when I was cleaner the condensor(?). the liquid is clear on the concrete and not oily which was my first thought. poorly insulted tubing condensing outdoor humidity? Thanks!
Water? In the condensing unit? First thing that comes to mind is condensation coming off the suction/low side of the system. Can you somehow get a look at the compressor for me? If so, is it wet, or is it frosting up?

I’m a semi-retired commercial HVAC service tech, by the way.

Jim
 
The only place water can come from a condensing unit is that

1...If it's been raining or if you have heavy dew at night, there might be some pooled in the lower pan and then dribbles out.

2....Otherwise the only possible sources is from the suction tube. That tube should be covered with SEALED INSULATION all the way from the evap in the house, the full length of the tube, and to just before the condensing unit. If that insulation has any looseness where it ends, water can condense up inside the insulation, and then drip out particularly on the off cycle.

Water will also condense on any length of the suction tube that is uninsulated between the house and the outdoor unit.

Have you touched the "liquid" and felt it? Does it seem to be water, or is it oil. If oil, you have a refrigerant leak.

Random photo shamelessly stolen off the dubya dubya dubya

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THERE IS ONE OTHER possibility. Look for a plastic condensate drain from the indoor unit. Maybe they used a condensate pump and just dumped the output outdoors along with the tubing.
 
It's typical condensation, all units do that, even our automotive units. Also, remember that ac units are designed to reduce inside temperature by 15-20* cooler than the outside temperature. If you run your unit to hard the A coil can freeze up causing the unit to shut down and this can cause problems. It's important to keep the filter clean as well as the outside coils by using the garden hose but don't clean them when they are hot as the sudden change in temperature change can cause them to split.
I've had the coil inside freeze when the blower motor shut off but the compressor kept running. Flipped the breaker for the unit and ran the furnace fan only. Man, that was some COOL air! Inside filter changed once a month and the outside unit is cleaned at the start of every season. Never cleaned it after running, always at the start of the season. Also, vacuum the vents on the side for anything that might attach to it.
 
Water? In the condensing unit? First thing that comes to mind is condensation coming off the suction/low side of the system. Can you somehow get a look at the compressor for me? If so, is it wet, or is it frosting up?

I’m a semi-retired commercial HVAC service tech, by the way.

Jim
The compressor sits at the back side of the unit. Maybe peering thru the vents will give a glimpse of it. Will give that a try and let you know.
 
The only place water can come from a condensing unit is that

1...If it's been raining or if you have heavy dew at night, there might be some pooled in the lower pan and then dribbles out.

2....Otherwise the only possible sources is from the suction tube. That tube should be covered with SEALED INSULATION all the way from the evap in the house, the full length of the tube, and to just before the condensing unit. If that insulation has any looseness where it ends, water can condense up inside the insulation, and then drip out particularly on the off cycle.

Water will also condense on any length of the suction tube that is uninsulated between the house and the outdoor unit.

Have you touched the "liquid" and felt it? Does it seem to be water, or is it oil. If oil, you have a refrigerant leak.

Random photo shamelessly stolen off the dubya dubya dubya

db22d679-771b-433a-ac3b-518df7381412.webp
Tubes are sealed but after 30 plus years maybe they have lost there insulation ability. In your picture, the closest unit and at the corner pointing at us is where the water is coming from on mine. I thought it was oil also but when rubbing between your fingers, it disappears. Will check later after it starts up again, maybe get a paper towel sample swipe.
 
The compressor sits at the back side of the unit. Maybe peering thru the vents will give a glimpse of it. Will give that a try and let you know.
Good man!

Moisture on the suction (large) tubing is normal, as it’s below dewpoint. Frost and/or ice, on the other hand, is NOT normal….
 
THERE IS ONE OTHER possibility. Look for a plastic condensate drain from the indoor unit. Maybe they used a condensate pump and just dumped the output outdoors along with the tubing.
That happened at work. Each room had furnace and A/C. Either the drain tube would plug or the motor on the pump would go out. Telltale water on the floor. Ours is to old for that fancy stuff.
 
Another thought was the high humidity. Is one side of the condensor "cold"? My thinking is it was conditioning the outside air, removing moisture and dripping. Freon leak was a thought but efficency (or lack of), has not changed.
 
Another thought was the high humidity. Is one side of the condensor "cold"? My thinking is it was conditioning the outside air, removing moisture and dripping. Freon leak was a thought but efficency (or lack of), has not changed.
No. The condensing unit is on the high side of the system, and always hot. (Well, when everything is working properly….) The only thing that should feel “beer can cold” outside is the suction line from the house and going into the compressor.
 
I've had the coil inside freeze when the blower motor shut off but the compressor kept running. Flipped the breaker for the unit and ran the furnace fan only. Man, that was some COOL air! Inside filter changed once a month and the outside unit is cleaned at the start of every season. Never cleaned it after running, always at the start of the season. Also, vacuum the vents on the side for anything that might attach to it.
I think that you have a good maintenance plan for sure. Have you ever cleaned the A coil? I clean mine ever other year, I use one of those one gallon yard sprayers with warm water.
 
Maybe I misunderstood. Is this a split system as I pictured, with refrigerant tubing going into the house, or is it a package unit with ducts going into the house?


It is also possible, on a split system that the indoor coil is not getting enough air, and freezing up. Without enough airflow, the operating temp of the evap drops, and it begins to form more and more condensaton, and freeze, eventually. This abnormal low temp causes the suction tubing to run at lower temps and IT also develops more and more condensation--and ice.

Does the blower sound/ seem normal? AKA up to speed? Has anyone closed down too many supply registers? Is the return air blocked, with a rug, furniture, etc? AND IS THE FILTER CLEAN?

Also are you maybe trying to cool too much? In a very humid environment, and with a system with marginal airflow, turning the stat down further and further can cause this. Normally you expect about a 20F drop from outdoor temp. AKA in a typical residence, if it's 100F outdoors, 80 indoors is about expected. This can change in very well insulated homes and "designed for such."
 
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I think that you have a good maintenance plan for sure. Have you ever cleaned the A coil? I clean mine ever other year, I use one of those one gallon yard sprayers with warm water.
It was cleaned when we moved in....27 years ago. Plugged solid with dog hair/lint/fuzz whatever. The tech was able to unscrew the panel where the tubes come out, swing the whole assy. out and hose it down. The option was to try this or cut it out, clean at the shop, reinstall and recharge. Went with the at home cleaning. Not sure I want to try this again. Maybe at the end of the season i'll get brave and take the two panels off that are screwed on and see what I can get at.
 
Maybe I misunderstood. Is this a split system as I pictured, with refrigerant tubing going into the house, or is it a package unit with ducts going into the house?


It is also possible, on a split system that the indoor coil is not getting enough air, and freezing up. Without enough airflow, the operating temp of the evap drops, and it begins to form more and more condensaton, and freeze, eventually. This abnormal low temp causes the suction tubing to run at lower temps and IT also develops more and more condensation--and ice.

Does the blower sound/ seem normal? AKA up to speed? Has anyone closed down too many supply registers? Is the return air blocked, with a rug, furniture, etc? AND IS THE FILTER CLEAN?

Also are you maybe trying to cool too much? In a very humid environment, and with a system with marginal airflow, turning the stat down further and further can cause this. Normally you expect about a 20F drop from outdoor temp. AKA in a typical residence, if it's 100F outdoors, 80 indoors is about expected. This can change in very well insulated homes and "designed for such."
Yes, it is like the system pictured. Fan motor sounds normal, air filter replaced once a month, no vents blocked or shut down and all returns are open. (as a side note, I would like ceiling returns for the summer but I'd probably never get the job finished). Yes, it is humid here. T-stat is at 76 or 78 and it gets to that fairly quickly. By that I mean that I had it set at 78, turned it down to check the tubing outside, got sidetracked and what "seemed" like 20 minutes, it reached the temp and was shut-off.
 
It was cleaned when we moved in....27 years ago. Plugged solid with dog hair/lint/fuzz whatever. The tech was able to unscrew the panel where the tubes come out, swing the whole assy. out and hose it down. The option was to try this or cut it out, clean at the shop, reinstall and recharge. Went with the at home cleaning. Not sure I want to try this again. Maybe at the end of the season i'll get brave and take the two panels off that are screwed on and see what I can get at.
It's easy to do, those service technicians want to charge you for a cleaning service that you can do yourself
 
It's easy to do, those service technicians want to charge you for a cleaning service that you can do yourself
How do you do the cleaning? I was thinking at first the water is going everywhere but I'm picturing a fine mist that just accumulates in the tray and out the condensate line. Did I get that correct?
 
How do you do the cleaning? I was thinking at first the water is going everywhere but I'm picturing a fine mist that just accumulates in the tray and out the condensate line. Did I get that correct?
It will come out in either a light stream or a fine mist, depending on how much you pump up the sprayer. It should drain into the tray and you can vacuum it up with a wet or dry vacuum or just let it run out. Hope this helps you.
 

In my house we have a counter flow (downdraft) furnace and put in a new system in 1999. Had to put another new system in last year because my condenser blew a line and R22 is so expensive when you can get it. But twice in that 23 years we had the 1999 system I had to pull the a coil out of its plenum, on the coldest day of the year in the wee hours of the morning back when we had our black labs. The a coil got clogged with dog fur and the airflow was restricted enough that the heated air was blowing back into the furnace cabinet and setting off the overheat sensor and would go into a 3 hour lockout. And the house temp would plummet.

Also my son has a rental house. 3 units each with its own HVAC unit. Last weekend when I went over to mow I had to trim away a lot of overgrown weeds between the units and the house and I pulled the covers off on the most overgrown one and clean d the condenser fins. One is unoccupied (being rehabbed after a small fire) and the 3rd unit never shut off while I was there long enough to pull the screws for me to pull the top off and not lose fingers.
If it doesn't rain I have to go back and mow again tomorrow, will try again to clean that 2nd unit. I have pix of the one I did clean out, it was nasty. Especially in the corners of the cabinet where there are no fins
 
It will come out in either a light stream or a fine mist, depending on how much you pump up the sprayer. It should drain into the tray and you can vacuum it up with a wet or dry vacuum or just let it run out. Hope this helps you.
Yes, thank-you. Now to clean the sprayer out well. I think the last stuff thru it was vinegar to try and tame the weeds.
 
In my house we have a counter flow (downdraft) furnace and put in a new system in 1999. Had to put another new system in last year because my condenser blew a line and R22 is so expensive when you can get it. But twice in that 23 years we had the 1999 system I had to pull the a coil out of its plenum, on the coldest day of the year in the wee hours of the morning back when we had our black labs. The a coil got clogged with dog fur and the airflow was restricted enough that the heated air was blowing back into the furnace cabinet and setting off the overheat sensor and would go into a 3 hour lockout. And the house temp would plummet.

Also my son has a rental house. 3 units each with its own HVAC unit. Last weekend when I went over to mow I had to trim away a lot of overgrown weeds between the units and the house and I pulled the covers off on the most overgrown one and clean d the condenser fins. One is unoccupied (being rehabbed after a small fire) and the 3rd unit never shut off while I was there long enough to pull the screws for me to pull the top off and not lose fingers.
If it doesn't rain I have to go back and mow again tomorrow, will try again to clean that 2nd unit. I have pix of the one I did clean out, it was nasty. Especially in the corners of the cabinet where there are no fins
When we moved in, we had the furnace/A/C checked out and it would go off on "hi limit"? That is when the A-coil was cleaned first. Figured try and clean it here first, if it doesn't leak, I save a bunch by not having to recharge the system with R22.
Don, every time we saw the weather today, you guys seemed to have rain overhead. Any water inside or flooding?
 
And the kicker? The next time I had to put in a water heater after the 2nd time of having to clean the a-coil I put in a tankless water heater.
I was tired of having to drain and pull the 40 gallon tank type I used to have for access room to get to the furnace and have enough room to pull the coil. The tankless is up on the wall and gives me clear access to the bottom of the furnace where the a-coil lives. The way things were laid out before I had 10" between the tank and the front of the furnace. I've lived here since 98 and the tankless is the 3rd water heater I have had to put in. And that's with buying the "12 year" not the cheapies, 6 year or mid grade 9 year water heaters. I never get the rated lifespan out of one. Even though the original one in each house I have lived in was much older when they died than the rated/expected life span of the replacements I bought.
This is the 2nd house I've owned (not at same time haha) and in both, I moved in having 30 gallon water heaters, and I went up to 40 gallon versions. The one immediately prior to the tankless I went to drop my wife off at work on a Saturday and came home to a flood. With each of the first 2 water heaters I had to remove and reinstall each once, when was having to pull the a-coil out to clean.
 
Can I ask a different question about HVAC systems here? If not go ahead and delete.
With my last system I had to take the return grate off the wall in the hallway and climb in while standing on a kitchen chair, dang near to my waist to reach and replace the filters, I had (2) 12x20x1 filters in there set in the plenum like a "V". A royal pain. And getting stuck by self tapping screws that protrude thru the plenum, in the process was less fun.
with this new setup they put in a new filter housing between the furnace cabinet and the plenum that I can get to from inside the utility room now (much easier access) but the new filters are like 25" square and like 4" thick. The old ones were like a couple of bucks each, the new ones are like $30.
The guy who put this system in did leave me a couple of spare new filters with the job how often do these type filters have to be replaced? I pulled it out a couple of times and it still looked new so I left the one put in with the new furnace alone. PS. It's been several years since we had the dogs, we don't have any now but we still have the 2 cats which we've always had a couple of those with the dogs
 
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