This is a mix from the old color library from Akzo Nobel. This is in solvent basecoat. I do have a spray out on this one as well. They removed all of the colors pre 1975 now.
B5 BLUE
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This is 1970 original B5 Blue
ACME SS
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If you look at the label I posted the color is a map position. The color map is basically a book with all of the colors in it. Green will start green and go to yellow and so on... this is all based off the color wheel. For example the color I posted is page 334 row c column 5. This is the map position for b5. If you looked up a similar color for any manufacturer it would be the same map position. Here is an example. I can post some pictures of the painters holy grail (map position) book tomorrow.
As you can see by the screen shot when I search based on a color map position it will show you literally hundreds of colors that are in the same position. That is why paint codes and color names really mean nothing to me. When I pick a color I use a color camera that will point you to the correct variant of the color. I use whatever is in the correct range even if I am spraying a "Toyota" code on a Chevy... doesn't mean anything other than a stupid name and a color that matches.
As you can see by the screen shot when I search based on a color map position it will show you literally hundreds of colors that are in the same position. That is why paint codes and color names really mean nothing to me. When I pick a color I use a color camera that will point you to the correct variant of the color. I use whatever is in the correct range even if I am spraying a "Toyota" code on a Chevy... doesn't mean anything other than a stupid name and a color that matches.
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And here is a camera reading I did today on a Dodge Ram.. Code is PCL.. and you can see the different colors that the camera pulls. I always let the camera search all data without telling it a code. Once you see the graph... In the middle means a blend-able match.... Above means better, below means not so good. In this case I then added the code and got it in spec... and it was basically a panel paint-able match.
The color of your sealer/primer affects the shade of the topcoat. Among other things.
WAYNE0
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Can anyone show me the difference between GB5 & EB5 blue
I think I have sprayed outs from both. I can check tomorrow.
dart1962_440
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How different is KB5? My 74 is KB5
WAYNE0
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mm didnt know there was a KB5 ive heard of EB5 & GB5
This is an exercise in futility. How the color looks in a picture will depend on the lighting, camera settings, angle of the camera etc. And how it looks on your computer screen has more to do with the capabilities and settings of your screen than the actual color of the paint.
It’s already been mentioned many times, ANY paint with metallics in it is extremely difficult to match. Even paint from the same damn can will appear lighter/darker depending on the settings of the spray gun, the temperature and humidity at the time of the spray out, the cure time on the paint etc. Because all of that can effect how the metallic lays out in the paint, and how the metallic lays out has a massive influence on what the color actually looks like.
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70SwingerGuy
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Resurrecting an old thread I know, but did you ever check to see if you had those sprayouts? Im curious to know as well the difference.
WAYNE0
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Depending on the year each year has a different shade
70SwingerGuy
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Thats true, but @67Dart440GT had said that he thought he had sprayouts of each year and Id really like to see those, and as a former painter, I understand how a multitude of things can affect the final color, but what Im really interested in seeing is if what year is noticeably darker than the other
This is very true. I tried to match a plum crazy spray card I had done in one paint line (C7). They couldn't match it with 2 other paint lines (toner issues). I would never buy paint based on a 50+ year old paint code alone. I see guys coming into the paint store all the time trying to match newer paint codes and the shop still wants a sample body piece to match it. Even then the painter needs to blend to match perfectly. My recollection is that B5 is fairly dark but it might have the most variations of any color Mopar had back then.
WAYNE0
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It also depends on name brand. I sprayed a 72 demon one time with Martin Senoir & it was a different shade blue. I think 70 & on up it gets lighter I think lol Its been awhile. The 1st pic is a 71 demon with 71 B5 blue The 2nd pic is a 72 demon with a 73 B5 blue
Kendog 170
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PPG has good matches.
I make it simple and say :"just give me white!"
OK so it is not that simple!!!!!
OK so it is not that simple!!!!!
my b5 is the shade I like
not sure how well i'll match it when it gets painted
not sure how well i'll match it when it gets painted
WAYNE0
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if thats the original paint its going to be hard to match it perfectly unless you can work with your local paint supplier and custom make it in 69 the paint was a single stage
Yeah getting quarters next winter so a complete pant job
My first nice dart was that color too ...so want to keep it that way
My first nice dart was that color too ...so want to keep it that way
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