Experienced paint guys I have a question

[4spdragtop]

I was up to see my body guy the other day and he gave me some bad news. My plan with my 69 f8 green barracuda was for them to have all the steel and primer work done, blow in the door jams, trunk underhood etc..everything except the outside. Then give it back to me let me look after putting her back together. But what he told me is that as of May 31st, canada is being cut off of the supply of voc paints. that means we will have to use water based paints. so it doesnt make sense for him to keep some voc paint for me, because in all reality it might not get painted until next spring(unless I win the lottery!!). He thinks the voc paint is better quality, plus he doesnt want to spray inners etc with voc and then try to match it next spring with waterbased. What is your guys take on this?? What is the quality of the waterbased paint??

Thanks
4spd

 

[dusted72]

Have him mix up the VOC and keep it at your house for when the car gets painted, that way it stays climate controlled and should last a little longer. Just buy all you need plus some extra for touch ups.

 

[4spdragtop]

I thought of that dusted, but if the car needs a touch up down the road, matching the paint is gonna be a *****!! ????

 

[dusted72]

Could you just have the car painted with the water based stuff to begin with? Then you won't have a problem matching it.

 

[68383GTS]

Have it painted in the USA LOL

 

[plumcrazy704406]

i'd buy a gallon (just for touch ups etc) on top of what you need and store it with grandma in the basement for climate controlled longtivity.

:cheers:

 

[flyboy1400]

A competent painter with the right knowledge and equipment should be able to match your older high VOC base using waterborne base pretty easily.
In SLO county CA we've been having to use waterborne base coats for about a year now. As long as the painter is used to the new system it wont be a problem, you can mix just about any color and tint them to match (they have the formula for my duster E9 vintage red metallic).

 

[4spdragtop]

Could you just have the car painted with the water based stuff to begin with? Then you won't have a problem matching it.

One of the body guys was saying that because its waterbased, if it chips that you have to get it fixed(painted) right away. Does that make sense?? I know in the perfect world all chips would be fixed right away.

 

[flyboy1400]

One of the body guys was saying that because its waterbased, if it chips that you have to get it fixed(painted) right away. Does that make sense??.

simple answer: no
IF the chip goes down to bare metal then yes (because of rusting), but that goes for ANY paint, not just waterborne.

if the chip is only in the clear or base then no, you should still have a layer of primer to protect the metal for a little while.

Once dry, there is no difference between waterborne and solvent borne base coats. the only difference with waterborne base is they remove *some* yes..only some of the solvents, and replace them with H2O.

Due to that difference they do spray a bit different, so it is necessary that your painter has some practice with the new system before attempting your car!!!

 

[4spdragtop]

simple answer: no
Once dry, there is no difference between waterborne and solvent borne base coats. the only difference with waterborne base is they remove *some* yes..only some of the solvents, and replace them with H2O.

Due to that difference they do spray a bit different, so it is necessary that your painter has some practice with the new system before attempting your car!!!

thanks flyboy, now another question, do they have to use wb primer?? If so would there be an issue with that??

Thanks
4spd

 

[clhyer]

I'm going to throw something out...
The paint companies have been in business a long time, water based paints have been around a long time. Most homes that are painted use water base.
Matching colors shouldn't be a problem. Biggest problem is probably our own negative attitude towards it...
FWIW
C

 

[flyboy1400]

Depends on what system (brand) they use, and what the manufacturer of the paint specifies. I remember about a year ago we were trying a Valspar waterborne system, dont remember the exact name, but you could spray that over any primer. Now we're using the Onyx system which tells you to use their brand of primer for their waterborne base.

Not sure what would happen if you didn't, I'd venture to guess that it would be fine as long as the usual preparation was done right, but if the painter doesn't use the primer the system specifies, most manufactures wont warranty the paint.
which is why its always better to use the same system all the way through (primer-base-clear)

 

[flyboy1400]

i'm going to throw something out...
The paint companies have been in business a long time, water based paints have been around a long time.
Matching colors shouldn't be a problem. Biggest problem is probably our own negative attitude towards it...
Fwiw
c

+1
I couldn't agree more

Most auto manufactures made the switch to waterborne back in the 90's some even in the late 80's

back then there were issues with it, but its been so well refined in the last 20+ years, there really is nothing to fear with waterborne as long as the painter has experience with it.

 

[4spdragtop]

Yeah the painter said that he has painted with it before, so I will make sure they use the same mfg as stated abv primer base clear. THANKS GUYS for easing my mind!! Much appreciated!!

4spd

 

[oneway71]

Using waterbased is pretty simple; although Being forced to use water based paints because of lower voc's is a crock.
Waterbased paints need a clear coat over them. The clear coat isn't waterbased and still has voc's. Waterbased needs to be "locked" onto the car.

 

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