Hey 340’s w 904’s what are your shift points?

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I am dialing in my shift points and am interested in where you guys have yours.

Currently my 1-2 @19mph and 2-3 @40mph @2700rpm?

I also set it up 1-2 @20mph & 2-3 @49-50mph @3000 a little too high for street? It felt good though ….

My engine is higher compression and a solid lifter and likes higher rpm shift points.

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Gear? Tires? Converter? Cam? Compression? ect.
I hear what you are saying. But I would just like to get a feel for where some people have their shift points set up. You have a good point and knowing at least what rpm the shift points is would be very helpful. I did include this on my last set point.

Still interested to hear what shift points (mph/rpm) you guys are set at.
 
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Well, I shift my 340/904 w/ 4.10's, solid cam and an 8 inch converter whenever it sounds just right. Light throttle maybe 2500-3000 1/2 and 2/3 about 2200-2500. I don't watch the speedo. Manual shift.
 
I probably wasn’t clear. I was thinking about an automatic shift point not manual shift point.
However, manual shift point is instructional for me still.
 
Well, I shift my 340/904 w/ 4.10's, solid cam and an 8 inch converter whenever it sounds just right. Light throttle maybe 2500-3000 1/2 and 2/3 about 2200-2500. I don't watch the speedo. Manual shift.
Thank you. But given mine is an automatic without changing the governor I can only effectuate the change in shift points with the kickdown linkage, which would mean both one and two and 2 to 3 move together. Still interesting for me to see this, but it’s also what I would expect from kind of a manual shift.
 
Ill see if I can get our 340/904 shift info on way to work tonight. Its not optimum as I "need" higher stall converter, currently its stock(ish)
 
Ill see if I can get our 340/904 shift info on way to work tonight. Its not optimum as I "need" higher stall converter, currently its stock(ish)
Great thanks. I actually thought I needed a new stall converter until I started really dialing in my kickdown. The kickdown valve is an interesting circuit. I’m wondering if you have done a lot with it yet to see if that might help you?
 
To be honest i haven't messed with it. Same kickdown and trans was used when I had 273 in it. When I swapped 340 in I left setup the same, other than maybe a turn or 2.
Great thanks. I actually thought I needed a new stall converter until I started really dialing in my kickdown. The kickdown valve is an interesting circuit. I’m wondering if you have done a lot with it yet to see if that might help you?
 
Thank you. But given mine is an automatic without changing the governor I can only effectuate the change in shift points with the kickdown linkage, which would mean both one and two and 2 to 3 move together. Still interesting for me to see this, but it’s also what I would expect from kind of a manual shift.
Do not do this! You can end up burning that trans up. Adjust the kick down correctly. You can always use your foot as a governor for shift points.
 
Do not do this! You can end up burning that trans up. Adjust the kick down correctly. You can always use your foot as a governor for shift points.
That’s why I am interested to find out where the people are setting a shift points in a automatic. When you say don’t do that, can you be more specific? The kickdown will change your shift points. If the throttle valve is barely used, you’ll get a quick one to two and 2 to 3. As you apply more pressure and earlier with a kick down, you’ll extend the shift points. So that’s why really I’m asking is where people are setting their shift points from the kick down. I had a shifting at 18 miles an hour in first gear and 30 miles an hour and second gear that seem pretty good. Now it’s shifting up a little bit higher Both an RPMs in miles per hour. And maybe that’s really what you’re referring to, but I’m not sure.
 
I really didn’t wanna go down this rabbit hole, but I can answer a few things below. I have given this a lot of thought and a lot of work and I believe I have the kick down set up correct. However, it might be a little aggressive and that may be what you’re referring to, and I certainly can dial it back. This is what I wrote in the 4Bbodies in my restoration page.

Here is a link with pictures:

1970 Plymouth Sport Satellite from Junk to......

The kickdown (KD) assembly is based on the original set up. With an altered intake manifold and carburetor it’s a challenge to get the original rod type of KD set up correctly. This is why many people go to a cable set up. I like the stock rod type linkage and wanted to keep it that way.

The issue/resolution I had was two fold.

1. I didn’t know that there is inherent play/slack in the KD lever at the trans lever moving through the KD linkage all the way to the carburetor. This means no initial trans throttle valve engagement until you’re well past 20-40% of the KD travel. This slack needs to be taken out!

So just having the KD set to move just as the throttle moves is not how I have determined it should be set up. You must take out most of this slack in the KD so it engages sooner/faster! It’s nuanced, but important the kick down valve needs to be asserted right away and that slack prevents that from happening.

2. The stock set up the ratio is very close to one to one 1:1. However with a 2-4 barrel carb conversion and subsequent intake manifold change the ratio is off quite a bit and more like a 4:1 from what I found on my set up. This requires a ratio change and subsequently a longer horizontal KD rod and a longer vertical rod to accommodate this ratio change.

There are several ways to accommodate the ratio change. One can use a longer lever from the transmission arm, or changing the ratio at the bell crank upper or lower. I’m modified the upper bell crank because it’s right there and you can get at it easily.

Most importantly one must to alter the ratio. To do this I made an extension on the bell crank. It’s extreme but thats how far off it needs to be when the slack is removed and hence total travel of the KD is reduced compared to the total travel of the throttle. They must end up matching or else one will bottom out BEFORE the other which is no bueno.

I simply made an extension bar for the upper bell crank with two bolts so it’s not a permanent modification. You can clearly see this in the pictures below to the right.

To accommodate this ratio change I used a 2” spacer on my vertical rod and a custom/longer horizontal rod that I fabricated. Note the horizontal bar needed a specific bend in order to clear the air cleaner assembly during actuation.

Now it works as it should. As soon as the throttle starts to move the KD starts as well. The slack is gone and they both reach full throw together! The shift points are now correct as well which is the proof in the pudding.

At some point for aesthetics I may make the modifications at the lower vertical bell crank and get the upper bell crank back to stock.

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Just found this in the fsm. This is what I wanted as a reference. No 340 but it ballparks me.
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My specs
28” rear tires
3:55 rear gear
340 high compression solid lifter
No cam spc but definitely not stock
 
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You should really put a shift kit in that 904. The KD linkage/throttle pressure valve does more than just affect shift points; that's an indirect effect of its position. You might get part-throttle where you want it doing it that way but the trans won't be happy when you start beating on it.

If you don't up the shift pressures and reduce overlap with that warmed-up 340 in a B-body it won't last long.
 

Hi again. First off the carb ratio from idle to w.o.t. should be a 1 to 1 ratio to the trans lever. That means when the carb is at idle the trans lever should be fully forward and when the throttle is at wide open it should be fully rearward with no binding or jamming into one end or the other. Hers what you need to do to adj. it correctly. First disconnect the choke and wire it fully open then disconnect the kickdown linkage from the carb. then check for full movement of the carb. from the idle screw to w.o.t. (look down the throttle and the blades should be at 90 degrees) with someone else working the gas petal. Now set the trans linkage at w.o.t. to fully rearward then let the gas pedal go and see if returns all the way back to the idle screw with o to a 1/16 inch slope and the trans lever should be fully forward. If it's not you have to correct the geometry. If it's good leave it alone. Unwire the choke and make sure everything is attached and you're done. Now go drive it and see what you got.
 
The transmission is shifting nicely at about 17mph 1-2 and 28 mph 2-3. It holds off when more aggressively throttled and it kicks down when punched. So I believe it all is working fine.

BUT in order to get the best shifts and correct shifts I needed to take most of the slack out of the throttle valve in the kickdown circuit. I understand that this slop/slack is common. It’s what caused a shorter effective travel in the total KD throw as compared to the throttle throw (initially 1:1).

Are you guys saying you don’t take most of that slop up and initiate KD with the slop/slack included in the throw?

I would be very interested in this nuanced part of this adjustment.
 
BTW this is how I was able to adjust my ratio and dial it in prior to the KD fine adjustment. Eventually I will fabe a smaller arm and remove the large one with holes seen here for aesthetics.

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