Lower control arm bushing without sleeves

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I got my lcb bushings but it just the rubber. I think what I'm seeing in other posts you can use your old metal sleeves? Seems to me there would be way to much play . Am I reading this right? I can push every thing together by hand without the the silicone grease supplied. It's snug but this can't be right .
 
Yes that is the set up that came with my front end kit. If I had it to do all over again? I would throw them away and used the standard stock bushings. They are sloppy, my front end has popped since the day installed them. I will eventually replace them with the OEM style.
 
I got my lcb bushings but it just the rubber. I think what I'm seeing in other posts you can use your old metal sleeves? Seems to me there would be way to much play . Am I reading this right? I can push every thing together by hand without the the silicone grease supplied. It's snug but this can't be right .
If it's poly (not rubber) sounds right. As I understand it, the grease is needed for noise -not fit tight at all.
Yes that is the set up that came with my front end kit. If I had it to do all over again? I would throw them away and used the standard stock bushings. They are sloppy, my front end has popped since the day installed them. I will eventually replace them with the OEM style.
Exactly what I did when I saw how loose they were. Still have the poly here I got in a kit if anybody needs em...
 
If it's poly (not rubber) sounds right. As I understand it, the grease is needed for noise -not fit tight at all.

Exactly what I did when I saw how loose they were. Still have the poly here I got in a kit if anybody needs em...
Ya they are poly think I will get oem
 
If regular rubber take them back and get OEM that are molded to the metal sleeve, or they will pop when they move.
If poly you use the old metal sleeve that was in it.

NO grease on molded rubber, and silicone grease on poly.

When using molded rubber you want the pivot pin nuts loose when assembling then put the weight on the suspension before tightening the pivot pin nuts again.
This makes the suspension settle first then the rubber isn't in an unusual twist when it gets tightened up because it's hard on the rubber and can cause the ride height to be off.

Your description of how the poly fits is the way they should fit.
I love mine, but they do transfer a bit more road noise to the cabin than rubber.
 
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If regular rubber take them back and get OEM that are molded to the metal sleeve, or they will pop when they move.
If poly you use the old metal sleeve that was in it.

NO grease on molded rubber, and silicone grease on poly.

When using molded rubber you want the pivot pin nuts loose when assembling then put the weight on the suspension before tightening the pivot pin nuts again.
This makes the suspension settle first then the rubber isn't in an unusual twist when it gets tightened up because it's hard on the rubber and can cause the ride height to be off.

Your description of how the poly fits is the way they should fit.
I love mine, but they do transfer a bit more road noise to the cabin than rubber.
Ya still thinking I'll use the oem thanks for the tip on the installation
 
Ya still thinking I'll use the oem thanks for the tip on the installation

Sure no problem.
Ignore the part about spreading the loop, because for some stupid reason I was thinking the rear spring eye bushings.

The OE rubber front ones are usually required to be pressed onto the pins.
 
As noted, the poly bushings reuse the old metal sleeve. But, and this is a big deal, the poly bushings MUST fit tightly into to old sleeve. They should not be loose, and they should not move around easily. The fit between the poly LCA bushings and the old sleeves is obviously a slip fit, but it should require a decent amount of effort and grease to get them into place. If it doesn't, they don't fit right. You should have to force them into place. It doesn't take a press, but you should have to grease the crap out of them and lean into it. Keep in mind too that if you check the fit of the bushings without the pins in place you get a different fit, the pivot pins expand the poly bushings a little when they're installed. So the tight fit is with the poly bushings in the shells and the pins installed in the bushings. Not just the bushing sitting in the shell without the pin.

The problem with the poly bushings is that not all the old sleeves are the same, the tolerances weren't that important on the inside of the shell with the OE rubber bushings and of course not all the replacement rubber LCA bushings are identical to the OE ones anyway.

If the poly bushings are installed correctly (meaning they fit right!) they work great and have less play than stock. If they're installed improperly, are loose, or aren't greased really well you'll have issues. You can't just slap them in and have them work right if the fit is wrong. They also work much better with adjustable strut rods, because they are different than rubber bushings and you need to be able to adjust the LCA position to compensate.

Other than stock style rubber bushings, you can also buy Delrin LCA bushings from Peter Bergman. They don't use a sleeve at all, so they're better than the poly bushings and stiffer than the rubber ones.
 
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The ones I have are very snug not really loose I can push them in by hand without grease
 
The ones I have are very snug not really loose I can push them in by hand without grease
Sounds like ones I got, but still not 'tight' The rubber moogs needed to be pressed. took them up to a local garage to install.
 
My delrins require the inner shell like poly bushings. However, they dont need an outer. Delrin is a superior material for this application. Its harder, quieter and more durable than any bushing on the market. You can buy lower pivots that have the proper ID so you wouldnt need any shells.
 
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