Hey guys I am in the early stages of painting my 68 Barracuda in my garage . My main concern is staying healthy. I will be most likely using epoxy primer, 2k primer and base/clear. What is a good respiratory to use? I have a few older/cheap ones but I was thinking of maybe a full mask one. Or is that a bit overkill? Thanks for any info
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doug 371
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I use the 3m type
problem is some of us are extremely sensitive to this stuff. some people die.
the stuff is bad for me. I use Low VOC from Ca which helps some.
be sure you have very good system to try to remove the fumes. I use and know many body guys that use the 3M desposible respirator, maybe better stuff out there. a fresh air system is expensive but if you want to be safe, or do more cars ,, worth the$$..
hopefully some pro body guys can offer their opinions.
the stuff is bad for me. I use Low VOC from Ca which helps some.
be sure you have very good system to try to remove the fumes. I use and know many body guys that use the 3M desposible respirator, maybe better stuff out there. a fresh air system is expensive but if you want to be safe, or do more cars ,, worth the$$..
hopefully some pro body guys can offer their opinions.
doug 371
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The 3m will be fine...you can get dust or paint filters for it as well so it's a good dust mask as well...
GeorgeH
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Head sock, paint suit even if it's a cheap azz paper one, rubber gloves, taped cuffs, eye protection. The toxic effects are generally under-rated. You can absorb isocyanates through your skin and eyeballs. Disposable paint masks, 3m, Gerson, S.A.S., are good for about 8-10 painting hours if stored in their zip lock bag with the pre-filters removed. Then you toss them. Don't leave it sitting on a bench in a room with paint curing. Proper fit is important, no beard. Exposure is hard to limit. Your exposed mixing it so some wear a mask while mixing so it really doesn't take long to get to the 10hr mark. Best, like said, is a full face fresh air system and some are allergic so be careful.
SAS Bandit Half Facepiece Respirator - 8661-93
3M 07191 Disposable Organic Vapor Half Facepiece Respirator - Small
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perko
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You want something NIOSH rated to P100 with the organic vapor (OV) addition. NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) regulates personal protective equipment (PPE). I don't have experience with paint, we do HAZMAT oversight and consulting.
The P100 rating refers to a particulate size. This is the one that we use when removing asbestos. It removes 99.97% of particles above some crazy small micron # that i should know off the top of my head.
the OV addition is an activated charcoal secondary filter that helps to remove organic vapors. This is what we use when we're removing asbestos mastics or lead paints with an aggressive solvent.
NIOSH mandates that filters be color coded so that they are idiot-resistant. P100 is magenta or purple. You should be able to identify the charcoal addition as the filters are thicker and have a grey addition to them.
I think you'd be fine with a 1/2 face negative pressure or full face negative pressure mask as long as you shave.
CDC - NPPTL - NIOSH-Approved Particulate Filtering Facepiece Respirators
Safety and Health Topics | Autobody Repair and Refinishing - Hazards and Solutions | Occupational Safety and Health Administration
The P100 rating refers to a particulate size. This is the one that we use when removing asbestos. It removes 99.97% of particles above some crazy small micron # that i should know off the top of my head.
the OV addition is an activated charcoal secondary filter that helps to remove organic vapors. This is what we use when we're removing asbestos mastics or lead paints with an aggressive solvent.
NIOSH mandates that filters be color coded so that they are idiot-resistant. P100 is magenta or purple. You should be able to identify the charcoal addition as the filters are thicker and have a grey addition to them.
I think you'd be fine with a 1/2 face negative pressure or full face negative pressure mask as long as you shave.
CDC - NPPTL - NIOSH-Approved Particulate Filtering Facepiece Respirators
Safety and Health Topics | Autobody Repair and Refinishing - Hazards and Solutions | Occupational Safety and Health Administration
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Darren,
I agree with the respirators recommended.
I just want to add; please make sure you have the proper filtered ventilation in the garage you are painting in. If not all you are going to see is fog and your respirator will clog up and in turn fail.
Iso Cyanate poisoning isn't funny and people have suffered long term effects from it. I can't stress this strongly enough.
If you need guidance on setting up your garage feel free to PM me.
Good Luck with your project.
sscuda
I agree with the respirators recommended.
I just want to add; please make sure you have the proper filtered ventilation in the garage you are painting in. If not all you are going to see is fog and your respirator will clog up and in turn fail.
Iso Cyanate poisoning isn't funny and people have suffered long term effects from it. I can't stress this strongly enough.
If you need guidance on setting up your garage feel free to PM me.
Good Luck with your project.
sscuda
GeorgeH
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Um , yeah, It can't be stressed enough. If you read the M.S.D.S.'s on most auto paint products you'd never touch the stuff.
mopar head
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Iv`e been looking for a respirator myself for these iso paints, any of these below 50-60$ are not going to list protecting you from iso`s. If I`m wrong, throw up some links.
I bought one from napa back in the mid 90s , was like mid 50$ range, I researched the cartridge and they still make them but not sold to public? They`re the metal screw in type.
120$ just for 2 cartridge.
I bought one from napa back in the mid 90s , was like mid 50$ range, I researched the cartridge and they still make them but not sold to public? They`re the metal screw in type.
120$ just for 2 cartridge.
GeorgeH
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I'm not sure anything short of Fresh air system truly protects you which is why you see them in pro shops and downdraft booths with paint arrestors and water baths on the exhaust. Getting the overspray away from you is a big part of protection and why there are so many laws governing and 10k fines for getting caught in your backyard.
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mopar head
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Yep, and I think the cartridges with the charcoal + filters would be ok for most, BUT manufactures are so suit shy, they`re scared to list them as safe for iso paints, cause you`ll always have the guys that refuse to shave properly and have inadequate exhaust systems in their home shops, getting sick and wanting to sue.
GeorgeH
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If you really sit down and read the fine print on the bag there is usually a disclaimer.
GeorgeH
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From a PPG MSDS, just an example.
Over-exposure signs/symptoms Repeated exposure to high vapor concentrations may cause irritation of the respiratory system and permanent brain and nervous system damage. Inhalation of vapor/aerosol concentrations above the recommended exposure limits causes headaches, drowsiness and nausea and may lead to unconsciousness or death. There is some evidence that repeated exposure to organic solvent vapors in combination with constant loud noise can cause greater hearing loss than expected from exposure to noise alone. Based on the properties of the isocyanate components and considering toxicological data on similar mixtures, this mixture may cause acute irritation and/or sensitization of the respiratory system, leading to an asthmatic condition, wheezing and tightness of the chest. Sensitized persons may subsequently show asthmatic symptoms when exposed to atmospheric concentrations well below the OEL. Repeated exposure may lead to permanent respiratory disability.
This is brief. It goes on to say it targets Kidney/liver function etc. Over exposure can happen in just a few minutes.
Over-exposure signs/symptoms Repeated exposure to high vapor concentrations may cause irritation of the respiratory system and permanent brain and nervous system damage. Inhalation of vapor/aerosol concentrations above the recommended exposure limits causes headaches, drowsiness and nausea and may lead to unconsciousness or death. There is some evidence that repeated exposure to organic solvent vapors in combination with constant loud noise can cause greater hearing loss than expected from exposure to noise alone. Based on the properties of the isocyanate components and considering toxicological data on similar mixtures, this mixture may cause acute irritation and/or sensitization of the respiratory system, leading to an asthmatic condition, wheezing and tightness of the chest. Sensitized persons may subsequently show asthmatic symptoms when exposed to atmospheric concentrations well below the OEL. Repeated exposure may lead to permanent respiratory disability.
This is brief. It goes on to say it targets Kidney/liver function etc. Over exposure can happen in just a few minutes.
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