T5 Five speed slant six 74 Dart Sport.

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Maybe my mind is fuzzy today, but the T5 and the slant seems like a great combo. Can't that T5 be sourced used plenty cheap, even cheap enough for the slant crowd!!???? I have 3 of those slant bells for sale!!!! :thumbsup: :poke::popcorn:
Yeah and especially since it doesn't have to be the heavy duty world class version, that means there's that many more to choose from. I got lucky though and mine ended up being a world class unit out of like a 95 5.0 rustang. They aren't hard to come by and even new they aren't terribly expensive.
 
Bad part is so many 18 wheelers going down Tx I45. 6-7 on a row then I come up on them, all of a sudden one wants to pas the others and he is doing all of 1 mph faster then the rest of them!! But of course he has to jump out in front of us.

Then ther are the soccer moms going down he left lane with cruise on and doing the speed limit. Get out of my way I am HAULING ***!! This is Texas ya know ! Pilgrims!! :thumbsup: :BangHead:

I'm old, sore, hurt, woreout and have to pee a lot. I used to lve o go, but I hate it if I have to go farther than 1 or 2 hours away.
Yup, I second that. A trip to Edmonton which is less than 2 hours at the speed limit now requires a pit stop on a side road for me and the dog. He is just 7 months. My old bladder is a different story. Damn coffee, one in and two out. Not sure whether coffee ir beer is worse for that!
 
Yup, I second that. A trip to Edmonton which is less than 2 hours at the speed limit now requires a pit stop on a side road for me and the dog. He is just 7 months. My old bladder is a different story. Damn coffee, one in and two out. Not sure whether coffee ir beer is worse for that!
They tell me beer flushes your kidneys and coffee clogs it up! Add La. hotsauce to your coffee and it will cure anything! (They say) :thumbsup: :rofl::BangHead:
 
Yeah and especially since it doesn't have to be the heavy duty world class version, that means there's that many more to choose from. I got lucky though and mine ended up being a world class unit out of like a 95 5.0 rustang. They aren't hard to come by and even new they aren't terribly expensive.
I believe the Ford T5 has better ratio spread. The S10 was designed for a truck that might get a load now and then.
 
I believe the Ford T5 has better ratio spread. The S10 was designed for a truck that might get a load now and then.
The one I have has a 3.35 first gear and .68 OD. I forget the others, but they are pretty good. I think it's gonna be a good match.
 
The one I have has a 3.35 first gear and .68 OD. I forget the others, but they are pretty good. I think it's gonna be a good match.
I believe that's what mine is as well. With the 3.55 gear and the 26.85" tall tire, it makes for great performance and great highway driving. I'm now just over a week into driving this to work and one four hour round trip, and it is all around fantastic. Being I need to replace my SureGrip anyway, I may put in a 3.73 and see what that does for me; would be just under 2400rpm to do 75mph.
 
I believe that's what mine is as well. With the 3.55 gear and the 26.85" tall tire, it makes for great performance and great highway driving. I'm now just over a week into driving this to work and one four hour round trip, and it is all around fantastic. Being I need to replace my SureGrip anyway, I may put in a 3.73 and see what that does for me; would be just under 2400rpm to do 75mph.
I just got done putting a 4.11 gear in the Ford 9" I plan to put under Vixen when I make the transmission swap. Even with the 4.11 final ratio will be only 2.79.
 
with the 3.55:1 first and the 0.68 OD how are you finding the OD gearing...

i have same box and was toying with a swap to 0.72 OD before i fit it but won't bother if the 0.68 is usefull

i run 3.45:1 rear but have a 3.7 and a 3.89 if i need it

Dave
 
with the 3.55:1 first and the 0.68 OD how are you finding the OD gearing...

i have same box and was toying with a swap to 0.72 OD before i fit it but won't bother if the 0.68 is usefull

i run 3.45:1 rear but have a 3.7 and a 3.89 if i need it

Dave
It's enjoyable on the highway. 80mph is about 2600rpm and even down low, it pulls OD quite well.
 
It's enjoyable on the highway. 80mph is about 2600rpm and even down low, it pulls OD quite well.
What size rear tires?

Nevermind. I see it above. Thanks.
 
late model v6 mustang ratios in a t5

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This be where i land at 2000 rpm ignore select transmission field you can use that to pre populate or type in what you like. i had to type in the mustang v6 ratios. I have a decent chunk of torque at 2000 so i may be ok
i do drive at 80 if i think i can get away with it and conditions are good (no traffic not wet and foggy. otherwise i'm a good boy and stay within limits

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I have the Ford motorsport "Z" Box T5 in my Slant 6 / T5 Combo. It has a less deep 1st gear than the "V6 Mustang " T5. I believe the first gear is a 2.91:1 it is a really nice Street and road race box as the ratios are all very tight except for the drop to 5th which is the same as the post listed above, and very similar to the A833 OD Box which has horrendous Gear ratio spacing.

Here is a writeup I did on this swap a few years ago.
To the Original poster - If you plan to turn any RPM, say above 5000-5500 you may want to reconsider that 10" pressure plate, as they can explode.

Good luck with it.
 
To the Original poster - If you plan to turn any RPM, say above 5000-5500 you may want to reconsider that 10" pressure plate, as they can explode.

Good luck with it.
Where can I get a different pressure plate? The 10" I took out had stress fractures around every mounting bolt and was broken in some parts after only 3000 miles of abuse. I do beat it like it owes me money and sometimes do turn it up to and over 5000rpm. If I'm resting my foot on the pedal, it pushes the pedal up once over 4000rpm; like the fingers are moving further outward, even though the clutch is fully released. I could not find a reasonably priced pressure plate other than a stock one, and I didn't want to drop back down to a 9 1/4 with how I drive the car. This is my daily driver, but I have recently acquired a 53 Plymouth as a second car, so down time on the Dart doesn't matter too much anymore.
 
Im going with the Ram clutches set up, you have to run their flywheel but it supports 400 hp.
If you're talking about the $1000-$1250 clutches they list on their website, it's gonna have to be a "no" for me. I'd spend a couple hundred on a pressure plate, but I can't drop that much all at once. There has to be a different option that works with the stock flywheel and a 10" disc.
 
If you're talking about the $1000-$1250 clutches they list on their website, it's gonna have to be a "no" for me. I'd spend a couple hundred on a pressure plate, but I can't drop that much all at once. There has to be a different option that works with the stock flywheel and a 10" disc.
I paid $750-ish for the clutch/pressure plate and flywheel from summit, worth it IMO. I don’t like changing clutch discs all the time..or exploding clutches.

Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists
 
You can use something like this....

I have used these for ~20 years in 2 slant 6 cars with 10" discs.

They are not a direct fit, as you need to have a machine shop drill your flywheel to fit them on the slant 6.

The clutch fork pivot will also need to be shimmed about 1/2" closer to the engine if you use one of these ford pressure plates.

The I.D. of the pressure ring will not match the disc, but I had no problems with rpms over 6000, or lugging around a heavy '79 volare.
 
You can use something like this....

I have used these for ~20 years in 2 slant 6 cars with 10" discs.

They are not a direct fit, as you need to have a machine shop drill your flywheel to fit them on the slant 6.

The clutch fork pivot will also need to be shimmed about 1/2" closer to the engine if you use one of these ford pressure plates.

The I.D. of the pressure ring will not match the disc, but I had no problems with rpms over 6000, or lugging around a heavy '79 volare.
Well, I do have a spare flywheel, so that isn't a problem. But I don't know about shimming the fork pivot. I don't remember what it looks like exactly, but the fork has a piece of spring steel on it that snaps into a pedestal in the bellhousing. I don't remember if this pedestal is removable or not. I should have my new to me '53 Plymouth road ready by the end of the week. I guess I'll pull this apart then and find out.
 
Well, I do have a spare flywheel, so that isn't a problem. But I don't know about shimming the fork pivot. I don't remember what it looks like exactly, but the fork has a piece of spring steel on it that snaps into a pedestal in the bellhousing. I don't remember if this pedestal is removable or not. I should have my new to me '53 Plymouth road ready by the end of the week. I guess I'll pull this apart then and find out.
If its the same for a regular bellhousing as an OD one, the fork pivot pedestal bolts to the bellhousing and is easy to remove. I can get you pictures tomorrow of the deal if it will help.
 
If its the same for a regular bellhousing as an OD one, the fork pivot pedestal bolts to the bellhousing and is easy to remove. I can get you pictures tomorrow of the deal if it will help.
I have an OD bellhousing in the shed, but it uses a ball stud to mount the fork. Which that is the only reason I didn't use that bellhousing; I don't have a fork for it.
 
You can modify or mill off the ball stud mount on the od housing and replace it with a fork pivot. I just fixtured this one real good in the drill press and put an end mill in there too.
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You will have to find one of the car fork pivots and fork to use in your housing and drill / tap the bell housing for the fork pivot. The ball stud style was used in the trucks / vans and works fine with a stock type pressure plate.
 
Hello! Was not entirely sure where to put this, could've gone either here or under the slant six section, but being primarily related to the trans, this felt appropriate. If not, I apologize. So, I (at least at this moment) have a 1974 Dart Sport as my daily driver. I had built the slant in it, and wanting more performance, an axle that won't break, bigger brakes, and the big bolt pattern, I installed an 8.25 with a 3.55 SureGrip. Fantastic decision. But! Being the car was a three on the tree, highway driving was quite.....bad. To say the least. Being most of my 50 mile commute is done at 60+mph, that had to change. Fuel mileage wasn't horrible, but with the dual Flowmasters, it was not a fun drive. So yes, I know, A833. But I wanted performance and economy, so five gears it was. From a friend, I acquired a rebuilt T5 from an 80s Mustang and the chore began. All part numbers for things I purchased, and even the driveshaft measurement will be included. So if you're an idiot like me that wants a T5 behind the hopped up slant six in their Dart Sport/Duster with an 8.25, you'll kinda know what to do.
The parts list:
Fox body Mustang T5
Resurfaced, stock, 122 tooth flywheel
Gill Welding T5 adapter plate and pilot bearing adapter. Unsure if I could reuse the three speed clutch fork on a four speed bellhousing (can't) I had them drill the plate for the three speed pattern.
10" pressure plate #MU15251. Yes, it's a whole clutch kit, but there was not an easy/cheap way to get just a pressure plate.
McLeod #16061 Throwout bearing for a 440 car
McLeod #8606 Ford pilot bearing
Centerforce 10" clutch disc #280490
Hooker Blackheart transmission crossmember/hoop #BHS578
Silver Sport transmission crossmember #XMM-00400
Ford Maverick transmission mount #2253
Unknown Hurst shifter and T-handle found at a swap meet
Mancini Racing steering column collar for floor shift car (not yet installed)
Driveshaft measured at 52" from the transmission seal to the diff yoke, 51 3/8" from output shaft to yoke. Measurement was taken with the car on the ground and jacked up at the center of the diff. If you do this, measure for your driveshaft just to be 100%.
The Ford to Mopar speedometer cable and transmission tunnel patch are part of a kit from American Powertrain and can be purchased separately if you call in.
I tried to cut as little metal out of the car as possible, but it turned out I had to cut a lot more than expected. The transmission tunnel patch is currently just held down with two self-tapping screws; I don't do metal work or weld. That will be the job of whoever I have replace the floor pans in this car. In the pictures, you will see two different crossmembers. I at first ordered the wrong one and had to overnight the correct one; the zinc plated one is the correct one. It did require some trimming on the end, as did the trans mount, but it bolted together and works; also had to widen the holes a bit for the mount to work. All in, from start to finish (once I had all of the correct parts), this took about a weekend's worth of work and then a couple days waiting on the driveshaft. The Gill Welding adapter is for the overdrive bellhousing, but if you call them, they will drill it for the three speed bellhousing as well for a small additional charge. I did this because, although I have a later overdrive bellhousing, I did not know if I could use my original three speed fork with it. Turns out, I couldn't. The overdrive bellhousing uses a ball stud, where the three speed bellhousing has.... well, I'm not sure how to describe what it is, but it's not a ball stud. I did have to enlarge the opening in the bellhousing to clear the bolts on the transmission input bearing retainer, but otherwise it was a bolt together affair. As you will see, I retained the bench seat that was in the car. If I were to do this again, I would probably try to find a Chevy S10 T5 instead; they have the shifter further forward. The car does drive very well, but I have the seat set back one click from where I would prefer it to be and it is a little uncomfortable. So I will eventually get the seat notched for clearance. Although I did cut a substantial amount of the torsion bar crossmember out, I cut it in a way that the bolt in replacement had to be hammered in, and I then I had welded in place after everything was bolted together. There is a picture of a hole I drilled in the floor; that hole is the rear most portion of the transmission that comes through the floor. If I drive the car nicely, it gets 25mpg. 70mph is now 2000rpm. I have not run the car at the local track yet, so I don't know what it will do given everything else that's been done to the engine.

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If you can live with the ratios, the '94-04 SN95 Mustang V-6 T5s and '94-5 V-8 have a longer input that may be perfect to use for adapter plate applications. The V-6 ratios/gears are the same as 5.0 Fox body T5s but use a longer input shaft. I didn't read the whole thread, so this may have been mentioned already.

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