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I’m looking for information on TMP carbs.
I see they were developed by Troy Peterson of Monterey CA.
From what I understand is he used Weber metering blocks / power plates to make a Holley more tunable.
Any additional information is welcomed.

I’m curious if these Weber power plates are still available and if anyone has had real world experience with these carbs and or plates.
I see they are thicker and require longer float bowl screws and fuel line needs to be longer also.

Some of the info I have found so far.

Troy Patterson on about.me

https://www.motortrend.com/features/weberize-your-holley-october-1985-982-1260-60-1/

https://m.facebook.com/TMPCarbs/

I am also starting to search here and am finding some interesting things about Troy to say the least. LOL

Thanks in advance.
 
I see this guy is/was a con artist.

I have one of his carbs I bought from a neighbor.
Just curious if it’s worth keeping or not.

Thanks


If you have one of his carbs I’d dang sure give it a whirl.

I know his tuning is a bit unorthodox so if you run into issues I’d call him and see what he says.

I played with those plates back in 1986-1987. You can get lost quick.
 
Ok, Thanks, I don’t really have anything to use it on at the moment.
I just bought two Holley tunnel ram carbs for the new build.

But this one looks like a good carb.

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Depending on the application there are some nice features on the power plates and the later versions. BLP made the most recent ones. I think they still called them Rapidjet.
IIRC the limitations is allowing sufficient fuel for very high HP drag race cars. Probably OK for most anything else street based.
Here's some threads on the Rapidjet
racingfuelsystems-RapidJet blocks revisited


I know there are more on Speedtalk (it sounds like you already have checked out the latter).
 
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Depending on the application there are some nice features on the power plates and the later versions. BLP made the most recent ones. I think they still called them Rapidjet.
IIRC the limitations is allowing sufficient fuel for very high HP drag race cars. Probably OK for most anything else street based.
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racingfuelsystems-RapidJet blocks revisited


I know there are more on Speedtalk (it sounds like you already have checked out the latter).
Thank you, I’ll take a look.
 
I’m looking for information on TMP carbs.
I see they were developed by Troy Peterson of Monterey CA.
From what I understand is he used Weber metering blocks / power plates to make a Holley more tunable.
Any additional information is welcomed.

I’m curious if these Weber power plates are still available and if anyone has had real world experience with these carbs and or plates.
I see they are thicker and require longer float bowl screws and fuel line needs to be longer also.

Some of the info I have found so far.

Troy Patterson on about.me

https://www.motortrend.com/features/weberize-your-holley-october-1985-982-1260-60-1/

https://m.facebook.com/TMPCarbs/

I am also starting to search here and am finding some interesting things about Troy to say the least. LOL

Thanks in advance.
Hello, this is Troy Patterson, owner, operator of TMP Carbs. I’d be happy to answer any questions you have. I continue to build Weber Power Plated carburetors, namely my VenturiLess and Six-Packs with the upgrade option of using Wer Plower Plates in place of Holley style metering blocks.

I’ll give y’all the short breakdown on the Weber Power Plates and why they are superior to all of the Holley style stuff including Braswell and all the rest: 1) they atomize the fuel more uniformly and consistently resulting in improved throttle response, torque, horsepower, and drivability; 2) main jets and air bleeds, AND idle jets and air bleeds can be changed in about five minutes out the top of the Weber Power Plate.

I acquired the complete Weber Power Plate inventory from Edelbrock in the mid to late 1990s and sat on them while I was both learning how to make best use of them on a Holley carburetor, and was at the time involved in a nearly decade long research and development project developing improvements and upgrades for the Holley, then integrated the Weber Power Plate into the re-engineered Holley. Though I developed the VenturiLess Holley by 1998 I introduced a lesser version in 1998 called the Premier Series (4150 and 4500) which at $1600 (in 1999) I sold for twice what Holley and everyone else was getting for their top of the line 4150 carburetors at the time.

About 15 years ago I introduced the present version called the VenturiLess which features adjustable linkage ranging from full 1:1 to progressive settings (everyone I am aware of runs them in full 1:1) and retails for $2200 for the 4150, and $2500 for the 4500. I have happy customers running the VenturiLess at 1100 cfm and 1200 cfm on engines as small as 305 cid and 302 cid in heavy road race cars such as a 1970 Mach 1 and 1965 Falcon and on engines exceeding 500 cid and 1000 horsepower.

By the way, I build wicked Big Bore (big cfm) Six Pack set ups using non-original Holley two barrel carbs. My larger cfm versions make more horsepower and torque, especially on high horsepower and/or stroker engines.

The path before me has always been salted ahead of me as is clear based on the OPs comment. Despite this, I have always gotten results and made my customers go faster ranging from Bill Elliott’s Winston Cup program 1995-1997 where he ran two of my developments and clearly had the dominant car to NMRA Edelbrock Hot Street entry of Michael DeMayo and Ben Mens of (Rousch Racing), to circle track, mud pulls, and so on.

Although, I had been selling the Premier Series for a few years by early 2002, I participated in the Engine Master Challenge with Nelson Racing Engines running a conservatively estimated 1100 cfm Premier Series (actually nearly 1200 cfm) on Nelson’s 359 cid SBC that was pulled from 2300 rpm WOT without problem. If that is not a testimony to the Weber Power Plates superior metering or the design of the Premier Series turn VenturiLess I don’t know what is. Tom and I finished 7th out of 50 entrants.

Anyone can find videos of my carbs in operation on my TMP Carbs YouTube channel of the same name. Be sure to checkout the small block with a 1200 cfm VenturiLess taking WOT @ 1500 rpm in first gear.

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I’m looking for information on TMP carbs.
I see they were developed by Troy Peterson of Monterey CA.
From what I understand is he used Weber metering blocks / power plates to make a Holley more tunable.
Any additional information is welcomed.

I’m curious if these Weber power plates are still available and if anyone has had real world experience with these carbs and or plates.
I see they are thicker and require longer float bowl screws and fuel line needs to be longer also.

Some of the info I have found so far.

Troy Patterson on about.me

https://www.motortrend.com/features/weberize-your-holley-october-1985-982-1260-60-1/

https://m.facebook.com/TMPCarbs/

I am also starting to search here and am finding some interesting things about Troy to say the least. LOL

Thanks in advance.
Hello, this is Troy Patterson, owner, operator of TMP Carbs. I’d be happy to answer any questions you have. I continue to build Weber Power Plated carburetors, namely my VenturiLess and Six-Packs with the upgrade option of using Wer Plower Plates in place of Holley style metering blocks.

I’ll give y’all the short breakdown on the Weber Power Plates and why they are superior to all of the Holley style stuff including Braswell and all the rest: 1) they atomize the fuel more uniformly and consistently resulting in improved throttle response, torque, horsepower, and drivability; 2) main jets and air bleeds, AND idle jets and air bleeds can be changed in about five minutes out the top of the Weber Power Plate.

I acquired the complete Weber Power Plate inventory from Edelbrock in the mid to late 1990s and sat on them while I was both learning how to make best use of them on a Holley carburetor, and was at the time involved in a nearly decade long research and development project developing improvements and upgrades for the Holley, then integrated the Weber Power Plate into the re-engineered Holley. Though I developed the VenturiLess Holley by 1998 I introduced a lesser version in 1998 called the Premier Series (4150 and 4500) which at $1600 (in 1999) I sold for twice what Holley and everyone else was getting for their top of the line 4150 carburetors at the time.

About 15 years ago I introduced the present version called the VenturiLess which features adjustable linkage ranging from full 1:1 to progressive settings (everyone I am aware of runs them in full 1:1) and retails for $2200 for the 4150, and $2500 for the 4500. I have happy customers running the VenturiLess at 1100 cfm and 1200 cfm on engines as small as 305 cid and 302 cid in heavy road race cars such as a 1970 Mach 1 and 1965 Falcon and on engines exceeding 500 cid and 1000 horsepower.

By the way, I build wicked Big Bore (big cfm) Six Pack set ups using non-original Holley two barrel carbs. My larger cfm versions make more horsepower and torque, especially on high horsepower and/or stroker engines.

The path before me has always been salted ahead of me as is clear based on the OPs comment. Despite this, I have always gotten results and made my customers go faster ranging from Bill Elliott’s Winston Cup program 1995-1997 where he ran two of my developments and clearly had the dominant car to NMRA Edelbrock Hot Street entry of Michael DeMayo and Ben Mens of (Rousch Racing), to circle track, mud pulls, and so on.

Although, I had been selling the Premier Series for a few years by early 2002, I participated in the Engine Master Challenge with Nelson Racing Engines running a conservatively estimated 1100 cfm Premier Series (actually nearly 1200 cfm) on Nelson’s 359 cid SBC that was pulled from 2300 rpm WOT without problem. If that is not a testimony to the Weber Power Plates superior metering or the design of the Premier Series turn VenturiLess I don’t know what is. Tom and I finished 7th out of 50 entrants.
 
Troy, I appreciate your reply.
I just read this over quickly and will look at it in detail but this is impressive

I think some of the carb gurus on this forum will chime in possibly.

I still have this carb and may use it someday.

Thanks again for this information.
 
they atomize the fuel more uniformly and consistently resulting in improved throttle response, torque, horsepower, and drivability;
No they don't. Atomization takes place after emulsion and booster design and sheer force have bigger impacts on atomization. If the mixture has to turn corners like in the Holley design then good luck controlling the 2 phase flow state. The mixture can and will revert to stratified or even bubbly flow states as it travels to its destination and leaves the booster.

The whole point of the emulsion design is to lower the density of the fuel so as to lean out the mixture to correct for AFR as air speeds increase. Its not some miraculous black art phenomenon its just plain physics. What the Weber power plates may be a benefit in is preventing the coalescing of air bubbles that are introduced into the fuel stream so as improving the consistency of the fuel mixture as it travels to the booster. No Atomization has take place what so ever!

As for throttle response that takes place before any emulsion has even happened. If you want throttle response size the carb correctly and get the idle and transfer circuits correctly calibrated and range them for appropriate operation.

Its just another Holley that some ones modified with same basic principles and the same basic design.

When will you guys stop falling for the marketing spin............
 

Alright, it was on my neighbors 289 and ran good he said. He went to FI so he sold it.
I will give it a try on something.

Thanks again
I'm wondering how it ran good with the primary float needle, seat and adjuster missing.
 
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