Milodon 31000, anyone have it?

[MoparPowa]

Can anyone with this pan tell me (or show, pictures greatly appreciated) how deep the front of the pan is (around 3-4 inches back) and how far back from the front the sump starts? I have a '66 Dart with an Alterktion and power rack I need to find a mid sump pan for.

Thanks,
Ryan

 

[toplscuda]

Can anyone with this pan tell me (or show, pictures greatly appreciated) how deep the front of the pan is (around 3-4 inches back) and how far back from the front the sump starts? I have a '66 Dart with an Alterktion and power rack I need to find a mid sump pan for.

Thanks,
Ryan

Ryan
I think Jim (realwing) is running that pan on his car with the alternation. I chose the economical way and have the truck pan on mine so that doesn't help you with your measurements any.

 

[MoparPowa]

Ryan
I think Jim (realwing) is running that pan on his car with the alternation. I chose the economical way and have the truck pan on mine so that doesn't help you with your measurements any.

topslcuda,

I'm leaning pretty hard towards the truck pan even if this pan will fit because it's definitely not cheap. My main concern is ground clearance, my trans pan will probably be much lower anyhow. Any pictures or measurements of your setup?

Thanks,
Ryan

 

[toplscuda]

I can get some for you. I don't have it in the car yet but it is all bolted up to the alter k. I see you are local so you are welcome to come check it out if you want. I have it at work not too far from the airport

 

[MoparPowa]

I can get some for you. I don't have it in the car yet but it is all bolted up to the alter k. I see you are local so you are welcome to come check it out if you want. I have it at work not too far from the airport

Thanks, it looks like that's the direction I'm stuck going. Realwing gave me the "stay away" warning with the Milodon pan, so it's a rear sump, either the truck or jeep, probably truck... I'm on the KC side of the state by the way, but good to see somebody else out here in the midwest.

 

[Map63Vette]

Is that just the regular mid sump A body swap pan? If it is then that's what I have on my 67 Dart. Started with an aluminum fabbed pan that my dad found on Ebay, but the pan rail welds cracked and leaked oil all over the place. Went with the Milodon because it was steel and have had no problems since, though I'm using the stock pan gasket/windage tray, not the Milodon one. Why did Realwing say to avoid it?

 

[moparmaniacduster]

I have the 31000 pan, but my 70 Duster isn't finished. In my build thread on here you can see that the pan doesn't have the notch cutout in it for the center link. I'm going to see if I can try a 73+ idler and center link to try and get some more clearance. Not sure if it will make a difference or not.

 

[Map63Vette]

I have the 31000 pan, but my 70 Duster isn't finished. In my build thread on here you can see that the pan doesn't have the notch cutout in it for the center link. I'm going to see if I can try a 73+ idler and center link to try and get some more clearance. Not sure if it will make a difference or not.

Ah, guess it might help to mention I have a 73 K member and steering setup as I wanted to go with the spool engine mounts. Though I thought the steering was still pretty similar between the two. I think one had the centerlink on the top of the pitman and idler and the other on the bottom, but I thought the pitman and idler arms were set up so that the center link stayed in the same relative position between cars (so the pitman and idler were longer if the centerlink was on top and shorter if it was on the bottom).

 

[moparmaniacduster]

Ah, guess it might help to mention I have a 73 K member and steering setup as I wanted to go with the spool engine mounts. Though I thought the steering was still pretty similar between the two. I think one had the centerlink on the top of the pitman and idler and the other on the bottom, but I thought the pitman and idler arms were set up so that the center link stayed in the same relative position between cars (so the pitman and idler were longer if the centerlink was on top and shorter if it was on the bottom).

I'm unfamiliar with the 73+ linkage so you may be correct. If that's the case, then I'll have to modify the oil pan or send it back.

Just for reference, my crank centerline is ~5.25" above the top of the crossmember. What is yours? That may play into steering clearance differences between us.

 

[toplscuda]

Ok pics are hard to get but this should give you an idea on the truck pan. Above the rack there is still about 3/8" of clearance between the rack and the pan. The lowest part of the pan (drain plug) is about 7 3/4" below the pan rail on the block.

 

[MoparPowa]

Is that just the regular mid sump A body swap pan? If it is then that's what I have on my 67 Dart. Started with an aluminum fabbed pan that my dad found on Ebay, but the pan rail welds cracked and leaked oil all over the place. Went with the Milodon because it was steel and have had no problems since, though I'm using the stock pan gasket/windage tray, not the Milodon one. Why did Realwing say to avoid it?

Yes, milodon's standard mid-sump catch-all. Realwing referred me to this thread... didn't specifically say avoid it, my words.

Ok pics are hard to get but this should give you an idea on the truck pan. Above the rack there is still about 3/8" of clearance between the rack and the pan. The lowest part of the pan (drain plug) is about 7 3/4" below the pan rail on the block.

Thanks man, I think I'm gonna go that route, cost is the biggest factor right now in this build so the cheap truck pan is probably my safest bet.

 

[toplscuda]

My thought also is if after I put it in and think it hangs too low I can always cut it down a bit. Being steel makes it fairly easy to do.

 

[Map63Vette]

I'm unfamiliar with the 73+ linkage so you may be correct. If that's the case, then I'll have to modify the oil pan or send it back.

Just for reference, my crank centerline is ~5.25" above the top of the crossmember. What is yours? That may play into steering clearance differences between us.

I'm not 100% sure what my centerline is, I'd have to measure it. I'm fairly sure it was very close to what TTI recommends for headers though, which I think they had on their website at one point. 5.25" sounds like it was in the ballpark, but it's been a few years since I did the swap.

Yes, milodon's standard mid-sump catch-all. Realwing referred me to this thread... didn't specifically say avoid it, my words.



Thanks man, I think I'm gonna go that route, cost is the biggest factor right now in this build so the cheap truck pan is probably my safest bet.

Oh wow, he did have a heck of a time with it. I kept all stock parts aside from the pan, I didn't do the whole Milodon "ecosystem" so to speak, so maybe that was the issue. The factory windage tray and dipstick seem to work fine for me, though the factory dipstick isn't quite the prettiest and sticks out a bit awkwardly in the engine bay.