Anyone Frustrated with the Economy?

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Yeah but it was more then just NAFTA. The banks were running wild making loans to almost anybody with little or no money down. BOA was having robo signers on loans, nobody was looking at the paperwork and verifying if the info given was true or not.

The banks figured even if the buyer fails to make the payments, the bank has the home and can resell it--likely for more then the loan was for. Problem is too many bad loans went out and now we got too many homes for sale and resale value plunged.

That was just the tip of the iceberg, banks and insurance companies were engaging in fraud even. Where were the regulators ? GWB was the problem with that.

Didn't Canada also sign NAFTA....yep "The North American Free Trade Agreement or NAFTA is an agreement signed by the governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, creating a trilateral trade bloc in North America. The agreement came into force on January 1, 1994. It superseded the Canada – United States Free Trade Agreement between the U.S. and Canada. In terms of combined GDP of its members, as of 2010 the trade bloc is the largest in the world" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Again, how come Canada is doing much better? How many banks do Canada have--like 3 or 4, where as the USA had hundreds of thousands of banks. Canada banks were/are far more regulated.

The EPA sure doesn't help either. China has no type of EPA what so ever. Business are free to do as they please, that helps keep costs down. Then we are told its all the USA high wages fault, not that the cost of making goods are far higher in the USA thanks to the EPA and OSHA.

Do I want child labor, no but do we really need to have every job set up so anybody--male, female, big or small--can do the job? That is how it is right now. Ford motor HAS to hire both male and females for its factory jobs. China has no such laws, if you can't lift 200 lbs, too bad, somebody else can. In the USA Ford has to provide the equipment so some 120 lb female can move the 200 lbs part around.

I could go on and on. Bring back the 1950's and lots of good things would happen. Obama is a dead end, his big goal was to allow openly gay folks in the Army, how nice. That is what change we got. Sure its nice to be fair to everybody but it comes with a price.
 
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For me the frutration part comes from a lack of responce to the economic slump by most business's. Prices are the same or continue to climb,yet nobodies getting raises or has much cash to spare. Sure thier protecting thmeselves ,yet Im sure folks would be more likely to make purchases if the price was lower.
 
Yeah but it was more then just NAFTA. The banks were running wild making loans to almost anybody with little or no money down. BOA was having robo signers on loans, nobody was looking at the paperwork and verifying if the info given was true or not.

The banks figured even if the buyer fails to make the payments, the bank has the home and can resell it--likely for more then the loan was for. Problem is too many bad loans went out and now we got too many homes for sale and resale value plunged.

That was just the tip of the iceberg, banks and insurance companies were engaging in fraud even. Where were the regulators ? GWB was the problem with that.

Didn't Canada also sign NAFTA....yep "The North American Free Trade Agreement or NAFTA is an agreement signed by the governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, creating a trilateral trade bloc in North America. The agreement came into force on January 1, 1994. It superseded the Canada – United States Free Trade Agreement between the U.S. and Canada. In terms of combined GDP of its members, as of 2010 the trade bloc is the largest in the world" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Again, how come Canada is doing much better? How many banks do Canada have--like 3 or 4, where as the USA had hundreds of thousands of banks. Canada banks were/are far more regulated.

The EPA sure doesn't help either. China has no type of EPA what so ever. Business are free to do as they please, that helps keep costs down. Then we are told its all the USA high wages fault, not that the cost of making goods are far higher in the USA thanks to the EPA and OSHA.

Do I want child labor, no but do we really need to have every job set up so anybody--male, female, big or small--can do the job? That is how it is right now. Ford motor HAS to hire both male and females for its factory jobs. China has no such laws, if you can't lift 200 lbs, too bad, somebody else can. In the USA Ford has to provide the equipment so some 120 lb female can move the 200 lbs part around.

I could go on and on. Bring back the 1950's and lots of good things would happen. Obama is a dead end, his big goal was to allow openly gay folks in the Army, how nice. That is what change we got. Sure its nice to be fair to everybody but it comes with a price.


Well Nafta is a big part of the problem...but also the USA has one of if not the highest corporat tax in the world while Canada has lowered there tax to get business to come there...if I were a company I would leave here too for better tax cuts.

Also when Slick Willys administration repealed the glass steagall act it allowed wall street to start speculation....when people can speculate...ie oil...it will almost certainly drive up prices....this needs to be reinstated to stop the criminal activities that are occuring.

And Nixons end of the gold standard should never happened....it holds everything in check....now the federal reserve can print as much money as they want and deem its value whatever they want...with a gold standard it holds it in check and you cannot print or spend more than you have....

Our government and big corporations along with the federal reserve...which is not part of the government...are in my opinion the biggest problems...

Until these are held in check I do not forsee the economy getting any better...matter of fact I think it is going to become much worse...just my opinion....I always just seem to have a sixth sense about these things...
 
I can tell ya from personal experience;the tax breaks that companies are getting here in Canada are being paid for by the public.Our quality of life or standard of living has been pitched in the ditch by our own govt for the sake of a few lousy foriegn companies that pay substandard wages and take most of thier profits out of the country.
 
Yeah but it was more then just NAFTA. The banks were running wild making loans to almost anybody with little or no money down. BOA was having robo signers on loans, nobody was looking at the paperwork and verifying if the info given was true or not.
And this was done because all of the those high paid banking executives are all stupid, right ????? Or was is really because of laws passed back in the mid 90s that made it darn near impossible for banks to turn down mortgage applicants - part of the "Every American Deserves a Home" drive by the cigar man. We need to make sure all of the pieces of the puzzle get up on the table here. Yes, almost the entire economic downturn was somehow related to the housing market crash and yes, there was lots of screw ups by the banking industry but there were also government regulations implemented that made it very difficult for them to turn down loans, especially to people in the protected classes.. which these days covers just about everyone. Not to mention it is virtually impossible to evict someone from a home for not paying their mortgages, and everyone knew it. People would go out and buy the most expensive home they could qualify for and then continue to bury themselves in debt for multiple new cars, sea - dos, boats, vacations, you name it, knowing that the last thing they had to worrry about losing was their home.
If GWB was guilty of something it was not undoing the executive regulations that were set in place before him - which may have been because he was a bit busy dealing with some pesty terrorists issues.....
 
Kind of back to the original post here. I have also felt the pain that is selling cars/parts or whatever this past year. I have done some trades instead, a few went well, a few didn't. There are always hiccups like the Department of Revenue wanting me to pay taxes on their implied value of my car that they say is worth $69,100... Or flakes on CL wasting my time or flaking out on me.
I will try my best to spend my money on USA made stuff either new or used so the $$ stays here a while longer and vote appropriately.
 
I' have felt the pinch as well. Sold a perfect set of magnum heads,completely rebuilt and ready to run,nos porting template kit and magnum valve covers for $200 plus shipping. Theres also a certain someone on this board who very much devalues the magnum head by constantly slamming it,Im sure that affected the price as well. EVERY TIME I talked about magnum heads he was right there slamming them.
 
I thought we were suppose to blame ourselves for this.

You know..... If some big LLCs would just buy up all the foreclosed houses and start renting them out, it would save the housing market.
 
Good idea,but have you ever been a landlord? OMG,the friggin damage people do to rentals is unbelievable.
 
The economy will not get better until we take back our goverment from the greedy bastards running it.......

Don't even want to get into my story of how bad it is to try an make ends meet. I am in the process of taking a second job,that took me over a year to land, and since the job I work at cut my hours....and the wife is still unemployed for going on a year...

it feels like it will never end...




Goverment for the people by the people..........

Ding ding ding! - this guy gets it. You guys ought to look up what the Federal Reserve is and how they have killed the value of our moolah. We went off the gold standard in 1971 and look how things have turned out since. No muscle cars either. Globalist pigs gave the chicoms "Most favored nation" status and exported the jobs there. High food prices started the Arab revolutions this year. Blame the pigs and their speculating as well as jokenol for that. Federal guv at work jacking up our food costs by subsidizing the damn stuff and forcing us to buy it.

Ron Paul....
 
I attended SEMA this year which is the 2nd largest convention in Las Vegas. This was my 6th show. My observations are that there were more vendors than there were during the height of the recession. There were more buyers, many of the halls were wall to wall people. The buzz was that the automotive aftermarket industry is coming back from the dead.

MANY people were using equity from their homes to build and buy classic cars. When home values fell through the floor, so did quick access to cash. As the housing market stabilizes, more will be able to invest into the hobbies and sports that they enjoy.

I attended the show with a friend of mine from Illinois who started his own high end muscle car resto business 5 years ago. He had one good year before the bottom fell out. He has barely been making ends meet since the recession started, but this year has shown improvement, and he has a full slate of vehicles to work on well into next year.

Just my .02 for what it's worth.
 
Ding ding ding! - this guy gets it. You guys ought to look up what the Federal Reserve is and how they have killed the value of our moolah. We went off the gold standard in 1971 and look how things have turned out since. No muscle cars either. Globalist pigs gave the chicoms "Most favored nation" status and exported the jobs there. High food prices started the Arab revolutions this year. Blame the pigs and their speculating as well as jokenol for that. Federal guv at work jacking up our food costs by subsidizing the damn stuff and forcing us to buy it.

Ron Paul....

Yup. GOVT BY THE PEOPLE,FOR THE PEOPLE. Not just a special clique of rich folks.
 
I'm down 3300 a month.can't save any money can't do anything.can't sell my car for a fair price.
 
Yup. GOVT BY THE PEOPLE,FOR THE PEOPLE. Not just a special clique of rich folks.

Rich folks? Is that the same group who is carrying most of the tax burden for the country?
(at least according to the IRS and treasury department records).
 
Rich folks? Is that the same group who is carrying most of the tax burden for the country?
(at least according to the IRS and treasury department records).

You know, the folks who are making record profits during the recession. The ones who have been shipping US jobs overseas, while stagnating, and reducing the wages of the working class.
 
Rich folks? Is that the same group who is carrying most of the tax burden for the country?
(at least according to the IRS and treasury department records).


Yea, one in the same. The same 1% that already pay 40% of all taxes in the country, the same 5% that pay over 60% of all taxes - so that 50% of the population don't need to worry about those darn pesky taxes....

Believe me, I am not rich and I have been out of work now for 18 months, but we are going to ride our cash cows further into the mud and force more of them to go outside the country if we keep this crap up. Can anyone honestly tell me it is fair that 50% of us don't pay any taxes????? :violent1:
 
report a few days ago says october is the best month in the stock market in 25 years,,and that the economy is doing bettter then the EXPERTS expected,,,,and job willbe plentyful in the next 3 to 4 years,,,,where do they get this crap ??? after those comments in the media,,,watch the price of GAS and OIL go UP
The stock market dropped 50% in 2009, it finally gets back to 11,900 and thats good? Do they think we're all stupid, I think the next election might be very interesting. Anybody want to buy a Mac Mansion? There are a ton of them for sale here!
 
First off: Lets not turn this political.

Vent:

Are the days gone where one can make a few $ from buying and selling?
Nothing is selling...
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For about 23 years I was able to make a few $ buying and selling cars but this year nothing is selling...... Even at major losses I am unable to move anything!
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And I don't want to part anything...I like to keep the cars complete......

And to top it off Winter is just about here and I have no Wood stockpiled, Garden sucked this year; so nothing major in the reserves!
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It may be chilly this year....
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but the Propane company will like me more!

Finally after a few years of just getting by I am frustrated enough to complain....
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Well gotta go and keep plugging away! Things will get better as time goes bye!
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Always gotta keep looking for the positive!
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YES!!!...two years without a raise, health care continues to go up, so even if and when I get a raise it won't give me any increase. Food prices are Way up! , NY taxes are the worst except maybe California and there is no end in sight. It's the old, you had too much time to sacrifice and give to others in the form of increase costs and taxes, so basically any money for the wants, like hobbies have taken a huge hit.
 
Yea, one in the same. The same 1% that already pay 40% of all taxes in the country, the same 5% that pay over 60% of all taxes - so that 50% of the population don't need to worry about those darn pesky taxes....

Believe me, I am not rich and I have been out of work now for 18 months, but we are going to ride our cash cows further into the mud and force more of them to go outside the country if we keep this crap up. Can anyone honestly tell me it is fair that 50% of us don't pay any taxes????? :violent1:
You got it stumper.It is amazing how people that pay NO taxes-get free money from the government-SSi-food stamps.These are the same parasites that will whine and bellyache about someone that busts their butt to build a company that pays people.If you are NOT paying into the system-YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!
 
You got it stumper.It is amazing how people that pay NO taxes-get free money from the government-SSi-food stamps.These are the same parasites that will whine and bellyache about someone that busts their butt to build a company that pays people.If you are NOT paying into the system-YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!


Well lets not forget the big rich corporations like GE who pay NO taxes to the USA

30 Major Corporations Paid No Income Taxes In The Last Three Years, While Making $160 Billion

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/

– Seventy-eight of the 280 companies paid zero or less in federal income taxes in at least one year from 2008 to 2010…In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned $156 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $55 billion in income taxes as the 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they reported negative taxes (often receiving outright tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury), totaling $21.8 billion. These companies’ “negative tax rates” mean that they made more after taxes than before taxes in those no-tax years.

– Thirty corporations paid less than nothing in aggregate federal income taxes over the entire 2008-10 period. These companies, whose pretax U.S. profits totaled $160 billion over the three years, included: Pepco Holdings (–57.6% tax rate), General Electric (–45.3%), DuPont (–3.4%), Verizon (–2.9%), Boeing (–1.8%), Wells Fargo (–1.4%) and Honeywell (–0.7%).

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Yeah, there is a lot of blame to go around for the past 40--50 years. I think things should get a little better, expect darn prices for everything is too darn high--thanks to the weak US dollar.
 
Did you know over in Europe, housing is like a given right? Some houses are paid for by the government for families to live in (helps if you got lots of kids-then you get nice big place)

If you use illegal drugs, that is a disability and you can collect disability payments from the state. So pot heads kick back and still get income each month to get by on.

Kids drink alcohol with their families during some meals--like 10 year olds drink wine, all OK and many many kids do. By 16 or so its so easy to get all the time, legal drinking age is 18 and its like tobacco back in the 1980's, if you look 16 they sell it to you.

I laugh when people think of Clinton or Obama as being so left wing, maybe compare to GWB but not to Europe.
 
I' have felt the pinch as well. Sold a perfect set of magnum heads,completely rebuilt and ready to run,nos porting template kit and magnum valve covers for $200 plus shipping. Theres also a certain someone on this board who very much devalues the magnum head by constantly slamming it,Im sure that affected the price as well. EVERY TIME I talked about magnum heads he was right there slamming them.


Yeah I'm sure it didn't help, however what about all these new heads now to buy ? Like RHS. years ago those heads were not around and Eddy heads were not being sold used much, today its different, there is more aftermarket heads to buy-both new and used.

Plus people just are broke--or close to it. More today then even last year, IMO ...and it was bad last year.

It can be very hard to sell something at 60% less then it was just 2--3 years ago. People want stuff dirt cheap--and some are getting it.
 
Well lets not forget the big rich corporations like GE who pay NO taxes to the USA

30 Major Corporations Paid No Income Taxes In The Last Three Years, While Making $160 Billion

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/

– Seventy-eight of the 280 companies paid zero or less in federal income taxes in at least one year from 2008 to 2010…In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned $156 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $55 billion in income taxes as the 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they reported negative taxes (often receiving outright tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury), totaling $21.8 billion. These companies’ “negative tax rates” mean that they made more after taxes than before taxes in those no-tax years.

– Thirty corporations paid less than nothing in aggregate federal income taxes over the entire 2008-10 period. These companies, whose pretax U.S. profits totaled $160 billion over the three years, included: Pepco Holdings (–57.6% tax rate), General Electric (–45.3%), DuPont (–3.4%), Verizon (–2.9%), Boeing (–1.8%), Wells Fargo (–1.4%) and Honeywell (–0.7%).

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Yeah, there is a lot of blame to go around for the past 40--50 years. I think things should get a little better, expect darn prices for everything is too darn high--thanks to the weak US dollar.
Ok since you have brought this up-let's talk about a hypothetical situation,lets imagine that we close all these corporations-what would the end result be?On the other hand since the entitlement program is three times the military budget-lets say that we end entitlements-which would benefit the economy more?
 
If you end entitlements.....does that mean the politicians would get to keep that money?

Politicians divert tax money into their friends pockets!

I would rather see the "people" get, or keep, the money than a few, all ready rich, "friends" get it! :banghead:
 
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