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72bluNblu said:
I heard you.

And as long as they can get more money from private insurance they will continue to refuse Medicare because private insurance will give the providers more money.

I mean, we could properly fund Medicare, but that’s gonna cost a ton of money no one wants to pay either. It’s almost like we need to overhaul the way we do healthcare.

Or just pay for private health insurance or with a big stack of cash.
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If you really want to fix this and medical costs, you’d eliminate ALL insurance. It’s a scam. Then the doctor or dentist could only charge what the market would cover. Now, they charge more just because the insurance company is a just a 3rd party interloper that raises costs. And lobbies for more government control. Both are bad.
 
1WildRT said:
assuming this pry bar incident is work related workers comp insurance should cover it.
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It was but I cant prove that's what actually was the cause, it hurt like hell especially during the night and a day and half later I broke it chewing into a baby red potato that wasnt fully done and snap she went. Plus I was doing something at work I should not have been doing, per our "safety rules" damned if ya do damned if ya dont.
 
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mopar head said:
Bla bla bla, get over your self :rolleyes: :thankyou:
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Hey don’t be mad just because the “women” you’re complaining about are both more skilled and better paid that you are.


Rat Bastid said:
If you really want to fix this and medical costs, you’d eliminate ALL insurance. It’s a scam. Then the doctor or dentist could only charge what the market would cover. Now, they charge more just because the insurance company is a just a 3rd party interloper that raises costs. And lobbies for more government control. Both are bad.
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Yeah except most people don’t have the money to put aside tens of thousands of dollars in case of a health emergency.

I’m not defending insurance company practices in our current health care system by any means, but it does serve a purpose. Without any insurance, most working class people would just get financially obliterated in an emergency situation. And honestly, those without insurance do. But eliminating all insurers wouldn’t lower prices to the point that care, especially emergency care, would be affordable for most people.

It’s a really complicated problem with no easy answers.

Josh owen said:
It was but I cant prove that's what actually was the cause, it hurt like hell especially during the night and a day and half later I broke it chewing into a baby red potatoe that wasnt fully done and snap she went. Plus I was doing something at work I should not have been doing per our "safety rules" damned if ya do dsmned if ya dont
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Safety practice adherence doesn’t matter, all that matters is that it was work related.

You should definitely pursue work comp. They will deny you, you will have to appeal. Maybe multiple times. Most people in my line of work (firefighter/paramedic) get lawyers in case of a major injury, because work comp will deny, deny, and stick it to you every way they can to avoid paying. But if you stick with it and jump through all their stupid hoops and fill out all of their stupid paperwork correctly they usually have to pay.
 
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RustyRatRod said:
.... while eatin doughnuts and gettin bigger.
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I've had the same dentist for decades and he's always had the same taste in women as me (think of confederate railroad)

Well, he suffered a stroke and sold his practice

Whoever runs it now hired a bunch of stickfigured to man the front desk
 
I don't think anyone has mentioned the cost of actually becoming a dentist, 1/2 a million dollars is probably not too far off what the education costs, nevermind the equipment, the building, staff etc.
 
72bluNblu said:
You should definitely pursue work comp. They will deny you, you will have to appeal. Maybe multiple times. Most people in my line of work (firefighter/paramedic) get lawyers in case of a major injury, because work comp will deny, deny, and stick it to you every way they can to avoid paying. But if you stick with it and jump through all their stupid hoops and fill out all of their stupid paperwork correctly they usually have to pay.
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I had a workplace injury that resulted in 3 broken teeth, had to fight with worker's comp to get them fixed properly but it was worth it in the end. Dentist wanted to put in an implant and 2 crowns, worker's comp said no, put in a bridge. I said no, I want the implant, and I'll pay for it myself, comp tried to deny it, I appealed, and paid for it, before they finally relented and reimbursed me.
 
72bluNblu said:
something
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72bluNblu said:
This whole thread is people complaining about things they clearly don’t know anything about.

So I guess you’re an expert in medical billing then? Because medical billing is ridiculous. It’s very complicated, especially for Medicare, which is another reason why so many providers drop Medicare patients.

I only see a tiny bit of it when I write patient care reports as a paramedic, and just keeping up with the little bit I’m responsible for is a royal pain in the ***. And it’s constantly changing and getting more complicated to prevent fraud.
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Your a first responder, I thank you for your service even though your not in my area.
 
I decided to do some research on a dentist. It takes 8 years of schooling at a cost of roughly $350,000 for the 8 years. The average dentist makes $124,000 - $202,000 annually. The career has the fastest job growth along with the highest pay increase annually. And the lowest unemployment rate of any other career. If they specialize then of course the schooling and cost goes up but so does their income. I know that it's expensive to run a practice.
 
Dan the man said:
Wow
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Yep, I was gonna do it but they took so long in the office trying to "upgrade" all these other people I ended up splitting. Also had a new Project Manager at my job that popped in that day....I was there 2 hours for 80 bucks. 5 Minutes for the x ray.....BS....
 
IIRC, Dentist also have a high suicide rate in relation to other medical professionals. Female Dr and Dentist especially high rates.

Certainly isn't 4 years. You get your undergrad degree and apply to dental school. Then slog through that schooling, pass boards, etc. Almost the same time frame as some MD's
 
Also, a lot of teeth require an oral surgeon to remove, so there's THAT.
 
RustyRatRod said:
Also, a lot of teeth require an oral surgeon to remove, so there's THAT.
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I had one donate his time to cut my jaw to get a wisdom tooth out.... guy Couldn't give me anymore novacaine and practically had to stand on me... man, that mother was in there....
 
missing linc said:
I think it's more than 4 years, but I'm not a dentist, just a dumb truck driver.
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I would have given you a red x because your not a "DUMB" truck driver.
A experienced wheel man driving a 18 speed with a 100,000 plus load is a skill

A person wanting to become a dentist or doctor needs to have a college degree in the sciences, a biology major and they need to have very high grades.
They then take their M cats for medical school or D cats for Dental school. If they pass and depending on a lot of factors they can apply to a school of their choose.......There is a significant fee for each application, in the hundreds of dollars and its non refundable
If you have the grades you get accepted and its very competitive
Im not sure what the schooling costs but by now its probably six figures per year (in fact it is)
Plus all your living expenses
Banks loan out the money just like a mortgage, takes years to pay off student loans
Working while your attending school is impossible as a student is studying day and night
When graduating than its a residency were the salary is very low
If a dentist wants to be a specialist its another 2 to 4 years after graduating dental school
A periodontist does another 4 years of training as does a orthodontist to name just two
So that's 8 years alone after college learning and making very low money and many hours studying
Most dentists wind up working for someone, as far as I know they make money on the amount of patients they see
Some might become associates for another dentist or buy into a established practice, which means they shell out even more money as becoming a partner isn't for free
Some start their own practice, the cost of renting a office or buying a place, not withstanding, id say setting up a practice could cost half a million for a modest practice.......Than their is the staff which is another issue all together
Thats one reason dental work isn't cheap
 
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crackedback said:
IIRC, Dentist also have a high suicide rate in relation to other medical professionals. Female Dr and Dentist especially high rates.

Certainly isn't 4 years. You get your undergrad degree and apply to dental school. Then slog through that schooling, pass boards, etc. Almost the same time frame as some MD's
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Ive been told med school and dental school are very similar the first. two years.
 
Dan the man said:
I decided to do some research on a dentist. It takes 8 years of schooling at a cost of roughly $350,000 for the 8 years. The average dentist makes $124,000 - $202,000 annually. The career has the fastest job growth along with the highest pay increase annually. And the lowest unemployment rate of any other career. If they specialize then of course the schooling and cost goes up but so does their income. I know that it's expensive to run a practice.
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College and going to dental school costs more than 350,000 and it does depend were you go
The competition is fierce and the studying is intense.....Id say the salaries you quoted for a established general dentist would be off but you are correct its big money to run a practice
 
72bluNblu said:
Hey don’t be mad just because the “women” you’re complaining about are both more skilled and better paid that you are.




Yeah except most people don’t have the money to put aside tens of thousands of dollars in case of a health emergency.

I’m not defending insurance company practices in our current health care system by any means, but it does serve a purpose. Without any insurance, most working class people would just get financially obliterated in an emergency situation. And honestly, those without insurance do. But eliminating all insurers wouldn’t lower prices to the point that care, especially emergency care, would be affordable for most people.

It’s a really complicated problem with no easy answers.



Safety practice adherence doesn’t matter, all that matters is that it was work related.

You should definitely pursue work comp. They will deny you, you will have to appeal. Maybe multiple times. Most people in my line of work (firefighter/paramedic) get lawyers in case of a major injury, because work comp will deny, deny, and stick it to you every way they can to avoid paying. But if you stick with it and jump through all their stupid hoops and fill out all of their stupid paperwork correctly they usually have to pay.
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There is ZERO evidence that insurance “saves” money. In fact, insurance drives up costs, especially when it is government mandated.

Banning all forms of medical insurance would make the costs match market value. That is, what the consumer can actually pay.
 
Dan the man said:
SI decided to do some research on a dentist. It takes 8 years of schooling at a cost of roughly $350,000 for the 8 years. The average dentist makes $124,000 - $202,000 annually. The career has the fastest job growth along with the highest pay increase annually. And the lowest unemployment rate of any other career. If they specialize then of course the schooling and cost goes up but so does their income. I know that it's expensive to run a practice.
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Do you want to fix that cost too? Just like insurance, which drives UP costs, student loans do the same. And by “student loans” I mean government guaranteed student loans.

What those do is allow the lenders to lean money willy-nilly without fear of losing repayment. And that also means the schools can raise tuition through the roof and anyone can still pay for it because the government will back any loan.

So the lenders win because they are playing with other peoples money and they can’t lose.

The schools win because they can charge whatever they want and STILL get people to pay for it.

The government wins because the average dude watching his idiot box thinks the benevolent kind folk in DC are for the “working man” and that they care that “poor folk” get a proper education.

Who loses? The tax payer. Because when the government decides that student loan debt is too much and it can’t be paid back without undue harm to the borrowers lifestyle, they will print more “money”, pay back the lenders (who should be taking the loss) and we get killed by increasing inflation.

It’s simple economics. You can’t prop up business and schools like we do and not expect to pay the price, which is the hidden tax of inflatio.
 
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