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About 20 years ago we had an original paint 71 demon yellow with black and it 100% had the perimeter stripe. Car was only with us for 2 days though before it was sold.
1971 Dodge Demon Sport Hood Treatment (J54)
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See, I knew once I showed you a picture you'd throw a fit about it for some reason. You asked for one picture, I gave you several. And right, multiple other members with original cars that had the perimeter stripe. Just admit it, the hood treatment on the J54/V21 cars was done differently from the factory, the original blackout can be done in several different ways.
And NO, it's not the same car as the ad. The ad has clearly been edited and may not have even been as it's pictured on a real car.
The article I posted is a REAL CAR. You can see it from multiple angles in the article, it very clearly has that hood treatment. And, it's a different hood treatment than the ad. Just look a the "Dodge" emblem on the hood. In the ad, the emblem is completely outside of the blackout. In the article pictures, the blackout extends closer to the edge of the hood and the Dodge emblem is inside the black out. Two different hood treatments.
Here's the ad, Dodge emblem clearly outside of the blackout, wide gap between the edge of the hood and the blackout
And the article. Dodge emblem fully inside of the blackout, narrow gap between the blackout and the edge of the hood.
And yeah, maybe the factory changed it over the course of production because the labor was taking too long, or the stencil or whatever they were doing to mask it was failing, or who knows what. Maybe one plant just had a lazy *** painter. Couldn't tell you. But clearly, they came from the factory with and without the perimeter stripe.
You have found a unicorn hood!
Typical nonsense about it only being one way with mopars from some around here. That green hood sure looks original with the smoked off Organisol.
Actually that green hood looks almost identical to the blackout treatment on the car in the Road Test article. Very wide blackout areas on both, very narrow gap to the edges of the hood, very slight angle on the blackout from the ridges on the hood to the edge. On the green hood the front gap looks a bit narrower, but that very much looks like it could be the same exact blackout on both of those hoods.
I think that’s two different hoods that match the assembly manual diagram within a margin of error
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Here's another one. This one is supposedly a survivor car, the hood mounted tach was allegedly a dealer install according to the page I found it on. Gap to the front of the hood looks a bit wider, closer to the "Road Test" car than the green hood from the original post. But considering each one would have had to have been masked individually, even following the same stencil or measurements would likely have lead to some variation since each one is essentially a "one off".
Just going off of what was posted, it's as valid as anything you say.
Besides, 1 is good enough, and the "Road Test" article is clearly original paint. They weren't all the same, which makes more sense than trying to argue that a paint job that had to be set up each and every time it was done, by different people at different plants, were all identical. Some clearly had the perimeter stripe, some did not. The assembly diagram is valid, even if it doesn't match every original paint car.
This reminds me of when I was at a show with a survivor B5 blue 70 Duster. Parked right next to another survivor B5 blue 70 Challenger. The two cars were slightly different in shade. One of the know it all Mopar people was saying there was no way both were survivors, one had to have been sprayed over post production. Nope...
And when the data says they are wrong, the measure of the person is to admit they don't know it all. Rarely does that occur in this space!
And when the data says they are wrong, the measure of the person is to admit they don't know it all. Rarely does that occur in this space!
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Exactly. Just shows the guy had never sprayed or tried to match anything with any kind of metal flake in it. Paints like that can look different sprayed out of the same can if you spray them on different days or with different gun settings.
These cars weren’t all identically the same. Yeah, there was a standard, but even those standards were changed through production and were even slightly different at different plants.
Sure, did the B5 formulation have an “early” and “late” shade? Sure did. But does that mean every ‘70 B5 car is identically the same shade, especially decades later? Of course not. This is pretty basic stuff.
Mine is GB5
That is a cool ride you are working on. Will be a good looking car when you get finished!
B5 definitely tended to change shades slightly from year to year. Spot on about technique, settings, temp/humidity will all change the way they look. The base is supposed to be the same and even if it's identical, no guarantee it will look the same. The two cars, one from Hammy, one from LA plant...
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Thank you! I wish it were done already
The only thing I ever said is every original paint 1971 340 Demon I personally laid my eyes on did not have a perimeter stripe on the hood. Not the stripes with it in books or in ads. The stripes in person right in front of me.
They could have made a green one with a purple hood. I just never saw one . Seeing is believing and your tails are never proven but with your mouth and your dreams of your BS. Go personally take me a picture of an original paint car, Like I did with my wife in the back ground. Plus many other photos of the same stripe of members cars. Otherwise just troll on
Ok, and I never debated that you saw Demon's with the V21 blackout that didn't have a perimeter stripe. I believe they got painted without them. I also believe they were painted WITH them, just like the factory assembly manual shows.
So, have you seen every '71 Demon ever built with the V21 blackout? Because if the answer is no, what you've seen has no impact on whether or not perimeter stripes are factory correct. Doesn't matter one lick if you've never seen it, it's not your decision, it's a literal fact with documentation to back it up.
Oh my gosh, sorry for the delay. I was laughing so hard I couldn't see the screen.
First, the standard is now that I have to personally find a 55 year old original paint car and take a picture of it myself? I mean, you asked for ONE photo. Way to move the goalposts AGAIN!
And, let's be real, I'm not stupid. Even if I found an original paint Demon with the V21 blackout and took that picture and posted it here, you'd just say it's not original paint. Because you've already done that. You'd never believe me. It would be just as easy as me saying I don't think the pictures you posted show original paint. Nothing in those pictures proves that's original paint, only your word, and I don't have to believe you with no evidence.
I get it, your problem is that I posted a picture of an original car, with the perimeter stripe, from 1971 so you can't argue it's not original paint, with documentation that ANYONE can verify. That article is not an ad, it has half a dozen pictures from different angles where you can see the perimeter stripe. Took all of your experience right out of the equation, it's evidence with documentation.
So just face it, they came from the factory that way. Some did, some didn't. Doesn't matter if you've never seen it, doesn't matter if it was only that one car, they existed.
The problem here is that you think your personal experience of seeing a few dozen cars out of hundreds actually means something. When the truth is, it doesn't mean a thing. The factory published assembly manual shows a diagram that has a perimeter stripe. And clearly they painted at least a few cars that way, because there's the article and three other members in this thread that say they had original paint cars that had a perimeter stripe.
It doesn't matter if one car, or 3 cars, or a dozen cars were painted that way. There's proof they were, and you not having seen one that way doesn't carry any weight at all.
The last 1971 Demon GSS wears a hood treatment like shown in the assembly manual with a perimeter stripe. I don't think that's original paint, but, clearly it's been restored with all of its documentation intact if it's not so it would be pretty silly to change the pattern on the hood blackout.
Maybe @HemiSSDart can comment on the hood treatment, since he seems familiar with the car.
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Maybe @HemiSSDart can comment on the hood treatment, since he seems familiar with the car.
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"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" That's your choice. I like the one with the pinstripe myself. It gives it a finished, custom look. But that's my opinion that may not align with yours.
I imagine if I walked into a dealership back in the day, and said hey this doesn't have the strip as advertised, but I like the car, the dealership could probably have there bodyshop installl the pinstripe, as a dealer item, to move the car and satisfy a customer just like any other dealer installed item, I'm guessing. But I have no documentation, other than my imagination.
This is the only picture you posted I ever saw with the proper patina and dimensions and it looks to be painted on. That looks factory and the first one I have ever seen . I like that look I also noticed the optional chrome trim on the scoops . The outside dimensions look to be the same as the non perimeter and then taped off to add the stripe. I believe that could be how it was originally planned but may have not been continued. I have seen far to many without it In my 55 years of buying these cars.
Looks far more correct then some of the stripes applied by many. That is one cool picture and I will add it to my collection. Thanks 72bluNblu You finally showed me something I never saw that is believable.
Looks far more correct then some of the stripes applied by many. That is one cool picture and I will add it to my collection. Thanks 72bluNblu You finally showed me something I never saw that is believable.
HemiSSDart
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I quit trying to figure out what hood treatment came from the factory 15 years ago. Take a google image look at 71 Demons out there and there will be a hundred different iterations. The purple car I picked up in Naperhell, IL and so much had been changed from original that I wouldn't use that as a survivor for anything. I too have seen survivor cars with the perimeter stripe and without...
Really?
That’s literally the first picture in this thread, because that’s the hood the OP was asking about.
And as far as patina goes, of course the other pictures I posted don’t have it because they’re from 1971. No patina on brand new paint.
Thanks for the info!
I 100% agree with the rest of it. As I said earlier in this thread, I’m sure that there was at least several versions of that blackout that was done at the factories. Clearly the assembly manual shows one way, but that doesn’t mean that every car left with a blackout that exactly matched the diagram. It had to be painted every single time, and I’d bet every painter had a slightly different method for setting it up. Just common sense to realize there’d be some variation even from the factory. Let alone what was added by dealerships or the aftermarket since then.
The stripe on the hood was painted on the cars that had them, per the assembly manual. Which is probably why a lot of them don’t have it, because it would be a lot faster to set up that paint job without that perimeter stripe.
HemiSSDart
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And if you look at googled pictures you will see images of chrome scoop bezels on black graphic hoods and black bezels on non graphic hoods. I agree that there must have been different paint schemes as production went along...
and i would bet you dollars to donuts that the spacing on one of those is *exactly* the width of a pack of winston unfiltered's.
The other picture you posted is not original paint or stripes on the first picture and is not even close to that patina hood or the ad picture. And I never believe a picture of a car in an ad second pic. If I did the 3rd Bahama brochure picture would be correct. The patina hood looks like a winner.
I didn't look at it at first because most of the time you try and baffle me with bull **** like the other picture of the orange car. That car was repainted and has after market side stripes as well. There is many pictures of that car on the web. The 4th to 8th pictures look to be the correct dimensions the 8th having the perimeter stripe.
Not many repaint them the correct way. Hope this helps. I have measurements off the orange hood leaning on the wall if there is any interest.
1 5/8 from the side and 1 5/8 from the front follows the front edge , 1 1/8 from the chrome if its on, 2 1/8 between the two in the center.
the perimeter stripe can be added to the inside of that. Take this info for what its worth, That hood is all original paint. Just hope it helps some Demon restorers in the future.
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