318 build. what would you do?

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i got a axle on the way. im beefin up the *** end. once i get the motor built then ill worry about it. i wanna snap my 7 1/4 before i put a 9 1/4 or 8 1/4 in. im lookin for a 8 3/4 from an a body for my Dart. it doesnt have to be. it could stick out a bunch
 
Mopar318Guy said:
i want a car that ppl think is a pos but really is a sleeper. something to take on big block chevys and pontiacs. 460 fords and 351s n ****. its got 63cc heads with 1.78 1.50 valves. i think 1.50 is right. 4027598. im thinkin 509/292 cam. port polished heads. flat tops .30 over stock. high rise intake with a 650 carb. and a 4 inch crank. that should get me there. for right about 1500 on the money
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If you plan on going after those guys then yank that 318,and put a real motor in there ie:340/360...
 
well my buds friend is selling a 340 that runs. might buy it and put it in there. still gonna go with everything sed up top. bigger motor. same stuff. thatd be a 416 stroker. 410 if i dont get it honed or anything
 
dude these guys know what they are talkin about that 318 wont get the job done that you are talkin about!
 
You must have one heck of a buddy to be doing all of that machine work for you for no charge. I still have to agree with some of the other guys that have posted, for you to go after some of the cars you're talking about I would think that you are looking at more than what you are talking about. Some of the parts that you are speaking of alone are going to put you at the $1500 dollar mark, and that doesn't include the milling that your buddy can't do in his garage. And just remember when you build a stroker engine you are going to put extra stress on a block that was not designed/intended for that so make sure you use quality parts in your build. I am currently building a mild 318, or what I consider mild anyway, as well and I can tell you all said and done I passed $1500 a long time ago, I'm not even near completion yet, and I am not stroking my motor. I do tend to agree with you that you do not have to have a 340 or 360 to get some good numbers out of an LA Small Block. I have many, many friends that have 318s with good power and torque. The best thing about a 318 is that it becomes a challenge to get those numbers out of it, that's why I am building mine. I've built big blocks, small blocks, and /6s... the 318 is just a new challenge and when you get it built and blow some of the other guys away, let em know that a 318 whipped their ***!! :bootysha:
 
My obsession with 318's goes back to my first car. 1974 Duster 318/904/7.25 Red, white vinyl half top, black bucket/console interior that was prestine....I purchased the car for $1500.00 as pictured here:

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I drove the snot out of it, popped both headgaskets and hydrolocked it. I put a set of 360 heads on it straight from a 90' Dodge 150 4x4, and drove the pee out of it some more....it was nearly bulletproof.

To me 318's are pretty simple and you know what your getting into.

I know they do not make torque like a 383, but if someone can really tune a engine/car, a 318 prepped Mopar has the potential to make some people wake up and then realize what just happened.

*I later had that Duster completely in Grey Primer getting ready to go back to factory colors and I lost my job and got into a hardspot and sold the car to some stranger for $2000 on the spot.....:pale:

Sure do miss that car.

I say build whatever engine you decide. I just wanted to comment on 318's.
They are so plentiful at junkyards, anyone can try their hand at engine building, mulitple times and not cost as much as 408/416, 451/499 strokers and still have alot of fun.

Good luck on your expedition.
 
sure,it wont be a torquey as a 340-360 or stroker motor,but will be fun in a light car.You need 302 casting heads!Dont care what peeps say,i can speak from experience.Keep the valves size stock,get good valve job.If you cant find any near you,there are always some on here at good deals,like 100.00.Get you some kb 167 pistons.Even if you cant afford to get the block decked for zero deck height,the closed chamber 302 heads will keep the compression up.I also use the mopar performance .029 thin gaskets.Get a mild cam,with around 225 duration,a split pattern works better with no port work done to the heads.Edelbrock performer intake,650 carb,headers,good exhaust,with hpipe,2500 stall,and your gears,youll be moving out pretty good for cheap
 
Mopar318Guy said:
i bet it could. theyve done it before. there 200 pounds less then big blocks. and with 350hp id be happy
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The weight difference is a joke next to the cube output difference.

Also, you post several times in a row and I have no idea to whom your answering. Try the quote button in the lower right corner of the page as to make a direct reply to the person via the quote.

And yes, a few of your posts are ruff on the edges. In example, "Get with the program." could have been reworded to say, "Sorry, I stated that was NOT an option and have zero plans to go that route. Thanks anyway."

The "Get with the program" comment is very close to a "F&*k Off type of comment.
 
Prine said:
My obsession with 318's goes back to my first car. 1974 Duster 318/904/7.25 Red, white vinyl half top, black bucket/console interior that was prestine....I purchased the car for $1500.00 as pictured here:

KellysDuster.jpg


I drove the snot out of it, popped both headgaskets and hydrolocked it. I put a set of 360 heads on it straight from a 90' Dodge 150 4x4, and drove the pee out of it some more....it was nearly bulletproof.

To me 318's are pretty simple and you know what your getting into.

I know they do not make torque like a 383, but if someone can really tune a engine/car, a 318 prepped Mopar has the potential to make some people wake up and then realize what just happened.

*I later had that Duster completely in Grey Primer getting ready to go back to factory colors and I lost my job and got into a hardspot and sold the car to some stranger for $2000 on the spot.....:pale:

Sure do miss that car.

I say build whatever engine you decide. I just wanted to comment on 318's.
They are so plentiful at junkyards, anyone can try their hand at engine building, mulitple times and not cost as much as 408/416, 451/499 strokers and still have alot of fun.

Good luck on your expedition.
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Yes,but performance wise they WON'T touch a 416!!!! unless you put twice the money into it, theres a reason i yanked the lowly 318 out of my duster,i wanted to go REAL fast...and be able to laugh at big blocks..which i do!!
 
Good point 340'srule. Now, if only someone else would see what we are saying and realize $1500 aint cuttin crap!!!!!
 
I beg to differ kind sir. (1) turbocharger cost less than a stroker kit.
 
Ahhhhhhhhh, leave it to the turbo guys to chime in!!!!! LOL

I'd like to see (A joke shot would be good) of one of those turbos from your job mocked up as if runing! (He he he, can ya see it now? Wait, you've been dreaming this havn't you!?!?!?)
 
rumblefish360 said:
Ahhhhhhhhh, leave it to the turbo guys to chime in!!!!! LOL

I'd like to see (A joke shot would be good) of one of those turbos from your job mocked up as if runing! (He he he, can ya see it now? Wait, you've been dreaming this havn't you!?!?!?)
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Man, that is just total disrespect to someone else and uncalled for. The problem with some of you guys is that you think your way is the only way to get a motor running. The other thing is that I don't know if you don't know how to read or you just blatantly ignore what someone originally posts, but you guys have thrown so much garbage into this post that if this guy was brand new he would now have no idea/plan to what he was doing or what he wanted to do. Some of these guys come on here strictly for advice because they don't know. The last thing they need is for someone to flat out tell them they are wrong. Now, I do understand that he got a little rude and testy, but you guys don't help that along much either by making posts like this.
 
73DartSport said:
Man, that is just total disrespect to someone else and uncalled for.
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I was just joking with Prine and if you fully read the rest of the post or any I have made with him or about him, you would not be making such comments.

The problem with some of you guys is that you think your way is the only way to get a motor running. The other thing is that I don't know if you don't know how to read or you just blatantly ignore what someone originally posts, but you guys have thrown so much garbage into this post that if this guy was brand new he would now have no idea/plan to what he was doing or what he wanted to do. Some of these guys come on here strictly for advice because they don't know. The last thing they need is for someone to flat out tell them they are wrong. Now, I do understand that he got a little rude and testy, but you guys don't help that along much either by making posts like this.
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The rest of this post almost has merit. When you try and tell someone that a 318 isn't going to run down big block cars for $1500, and there have been a few in this direction, you think someone would listen.

I guess you should take your own advice and open up your eyes and read. Then say something when you know something. Unlike your post.

We here absoultley try and help people with there goals. This board is about the very very best I have come across, bar none.

Mopar318Guy is getting honest answers and replies. His curt answers can be re-writin beter not only for the general reader, but for himself. After all, alittle internet curtosity goes along long way.

That is unless you like to be told to get with the program. Which could be applied very easy to your last post.

Now Prine works at a plant that does turbos. Big ones. Prine, could you post up a picture please and show this guy what I'm talking about? Thanks.

When Prine posts a picture, if you can photo shop, do so and lets have a laugh at it.
 
rumblefish360 said:
The weight difference is a joke next to the cube output difference.

Also, you post several times in a row and I have no idea to whom your answering. Try the quote button in the lower right corner of the page as to make a direct reply to the person via the quote.

And yes, a few of your posts are ruff on the edges. In example, "Get with the program." could have been reworded to say, "Sorry, I stated that was NOT an option and have zero plans to go that route. Thanks anyway."

The "Get with the program" comment is very close to a "F&*k Off type of comment.
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it was a sorta pay attention kinda deal. i dont want anyone to **** off i want some sorta input on what the people would do to it. im not sure wether im goin the stroker route or not. mioght just buy a supercharger and leave everything stock. when i blow it up ill buy another 318 for 50 bucks and go from there. lol
 
rumblefish360 said:
Good point 340'srule. Now, if only someone else would see what we are saying and realize $1500 aint cuttin crap!!!!!
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and i just bought some Cragar SS's off a guy with a Roadrunner 68. 440 650hp. nicest car ive seen in the area. his friend has a 340. hes keepin me posted. i might buy it. big cam. port polish the heads. high rise intake. maybe a bigger carb. idk. depends on if i buy it or not. hell i might buy the 400 big block across the street and jam it in there
 
sure thing...take a little peeksy at what I do for a living:

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Here I am with my Inspection Cart getting ready to freight some of our Engines

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We have over 300 longblocks on our build floor and ship on the average of 150 engines a month.

Here is the closest picture I have to what you requested rumblefish360:
My old D150 Passenger Mount Single Turbo setup I was theorizing/daydreaming
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When I setup my Dart, I will be going with a passenger side mounted Single T4 MP70 turbocharged Roller 318 setup ....body and interior has to get done first though so stay tuned to my thread "So it Begins" in the Mopar General Discussion forum.

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This is a Mustang, but this is how my setup with be routed:

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Prine said:
This is a Mustang, but this is how my setup with be routed:

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how big are the turbos you work with and wth are they for. lol. big deisels for big rigs or what?? heavy machinery. are they bigger around then a 5 gallon bucket? i might slap one on my car. lmao. i dont think my 318 would even turn that monster
 
The guy wants to maximize the 318. Let's help him do just that.​

The point of the post is to get suggestions on how to build the 318 for what he wants to do. While a bigger engine might accomplish his goal EASIER, it is not the direction he wants to go. Once he has made it clear that swapping to a 340-360-408-416- is not what he wants, how about we go ahead and provide input on his topic, and move on.

P.S. I like Prine's recipe. Solid foundation, maximize airflow, minimize friction and drag, and maximize the output of the stock 318 cubes.
 
reading all this gave me a headache :)

i can tell you to get a 318 outrunning bigblocks and the such, your going to have more than $1500 in parts,then it'll need to be streetable, dont think it'll happen for the amount of money you wish to spend...

the only way would be to spray or boost, but to get a motor to take that kind of spray or boost repeatedly, you'll go way over budget..
 
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