So I put a new clutch and pressure plate in and pilot bearing. I cannot for the life of me get the transmission to slide in 100% onto the bell housing. Am I doing something wrong? Please help it's driving me crazy!
Cannot align A833 into bell housing!!!!
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How does the pilot bearing work? Does it have to lock into anything? I just slide the input shaft threw it as of right now though it just sits freely there. I'm new to this so help would be appreciated!
Did you use a pilot/"dummy" shaft? Are you piecing several parts together, from different places? Or was this disassembled ,from a assembled unit? Relax,and take a break.Frustration ,makes it worse. Some research,needs to be done.
You don't have the pilot bearing in any of the pictures. I believe you are calling the throw out bearing the pilot bearing. The throw out bearing is the large bearing attached to the clutch fork. The pilot bushing is pressed into the back of the crankshaft. The "dummy shaft" is actually an alignment shaft the same size and spline count as the transmission input shaft.
The proper installation method for the clutch is like this. Assuming your pilot bushing is good, or has been replaced, position the pressure plate on the flywheel and start a bolt towards the top. Just a few threads. Pull the pressure plate away from the flywheel on the bottom and slide the clutch disk in. Take the alignment shaft and insert it through the throw out bearing and into the clutch disc and then into the pilot bushing, making sure that it inserts all the way in as far as it can go. Then start the remaining pressure plate bolts and torque them to spec and in the correct order. A simple star pattern works fine.
It sounds like you have not used the alignment tool, or did not get it fully installed and the clutch disc is not lined up. If you follow the above procedure, it will be fine.
The proper installation method for the clutch is like this. Assuming your pilot bushing is good, or has been replaced, position the pressure plate on the flywheel and start a bolt towards the top. Just a few threads. Pull the pressure plate away from the flywheel on the bottom and slide the clutch disk in. Take the alignment shaft and insert it through the throw out bearing and into the clutch disc and then into the pilot bushing, making sure that it inserts all the way in as far as it can go. Then start the remaining pressure plate bolts and torque them to spec and in the correct order. A simple star pattern works fine.
It sounds like you have not used the alignment tool, or did not get it fully installed and the clutch disc is not lined up. If you follow the above procedure, it will be fine.
Cool sounds good. I did use the plastic alignment tool but I guess I must have done something wrong. I will try it again and see how it goes! And yes I was calling the throw out bearing the pilot bearing my mistake! I didn't check the pilot bushing, that's in the crank correct? How can I check it to see if it's still good? Thanks
You can use the alignment tool to check it. If it has a lot of lateral play, you need to replace it. Also, you may need to rotate the transmission output shaft with the transmission in a gear so the input shaft will rotate and engage the clutch disc properly. But, from the pictures, it looks like it went in at least that far.
Moparmarcus
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The plastic tool that comes with a new clultch is notorious for being inaccurate. I always had trouble with alignment using those. I have an old shaft that I use now and never have any trouble.
I always make my own alignment tools out of a nice piece of hardwood its very easy to do with a steel lathe. now back to the problem just do what RRR said.
penstarproject
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Had the same problem the crank was not drill deep enough so the transmission shaft bottoms out. Had to cut off shaft on transmission .100th
Thats what I was thinking also. I have seen that before, although not often. Also, you can buy a nice universal alignment tool from your professional Auto Parts Store. Might even be able to rent or use one from your local Auto Zone or Advance.
80fbody
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If it's been together before then I've simply cinched down slowly with bolts. Don't get crazy & snap an ear off but it'll tighten up. Could be a tight pilot, paint on the hub, ect.
If it was all together once before, there should be no reason to take .100 off the end of the tranny input shaft. Sounds like a simple case of misalignment of clutch disk. If foggy memory serves me right, the mounting bolts for the tranny to the bell housing are 7/16-14 UNC, get 2 or 3 long bolts, cut the heads off and use them as alignment dowels, plus they will carry some of the weight of the tranny. With the tranny in as far as it will go, one bolt to hold it in position, push on the throw out arm to release the disk to allow it (the disk) to move, wiggle the tranny into position. OR you could loosen up the pressure plate mounting bolts to allow the disk to move.
Good luck!!
Good luck!!
69MOPE
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Unbolt the pressure plate, then assemble. Rethighten the PP bolts after its together.
cudavert
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Hmmmm......I think it IS just a matter of paint on the bearing retainer! Look....it's that far in already, the input shaft splines have gotta be engaged in the clutch disc! And since the pilot bushing wasn't touched, I doubt it could be that.
That bearing retainer-to-bellhousing fit is pretty tight. Should never paint it.
That bearing retainer-to-bellhousing fit is pretty tight. Should never paint it.
dbphemi
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If all else fails, loosen the pressure plate bolts. works for me every time.
YUp, there is no bushing in the end of the crank!!!!!!
67Dart273
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Take your time and install the trans WITHOUT any clutch components. Take a rod or other item and a straightedge so you can accurately measure the depth from the bell flange to the pilot cavity bottom, then compare that to the shaft length of the trans
An Un finished (automatic) crank may NOT be deep enough. The cure is two possibilities
Cut a bit off the shaft, or have the crank finished. The more modern "Jeep" style pilot, which fits into the converter register, seem to be a better deal than trying to fit the factory type bushing into an undersized hole (You can buy undersized bushings)
Newer, "Jeep" style comes in bushing or roller bearing:
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=75479
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