Installed 1-2 shift collar BACKWARDS. Alternate removal options?

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I'm kicking myself in the head so hard right now. I'm working on rebuilding my A833OD, and was in the final assembly process until I realized that I had installed the 1st-2nd shift collar on backwards. Words cannot explain my frustration. I'm only upset because it means that I have to take the shaft BACK to the tranny shop to have them pull the mainshaft bearing and then press it back on once I have flipped the shift collar. And it's the weekend.

Is there a way I can just rent a bearing puller and then do it myself?I f it would risk damaging the transmission then I'll do it the right way, but I really don't want to have to mess around with going back and forth to the tranny shop again. Can I just rent a puller, and then heat the bearing to slide it back on? Or is that a horrible idea?
 
Surely you can find a parts store with a press, doesn't take any special tools to do this.
If you can get it pressed off, it can be put back on with a brass drift and a BFH,or a long piece of pipe and the press.
 
Here's how I do it
Take everything apart.
With the empty box on the bench flip it nose down.
Remove the tailhouse from the M/S.
Drop the loaded M/S into the box, and slide a couple of flat bars(*see note 1) between the bearing and the box. Snuggle them up to the M/S as close as you can get them. I actually made a slotted plate just for this. Remove the snap ring.You may wish to install spacers between the sliders (*note 4) and the gears under them to prevent the sliders from falling down and popping the struts out of position.
Place a brass chunk of metal on the M/S and pound away with the biggest hammer you have; at least a 20 ozer. When I say pound, I don't mean as in pounding fence posts; you want to have a bearing left when you're finished. You need the big hammer, so you don't have to concentrate so hard on hitting the target. You need the brass chunk, or any chunk softer than the M/S, yet strong enough to survive the pounding, to save the splines. The bearing is not that tight on there. Don't use any softwood, it will explode and make a splintery mess. A chunk of Hardwood might survive.

To reinstall it; flip the box, front end up.
Cut a hole in your workbench to receive the M/S. Borrow the outter snapring from the front bearing, and install it onto the rear bearing, and drop it into the front hole, correctly oriented.(*note2))
Drop the M/S thru the correctly oriented bearing,WITH low gear on it, and into the box tail-first, dropping the shaft down thru the hole in the bench.Verify the bearing is correctly oriented,lol. Then;
Back to brass chunk and hammer; except now you have to steer the assembly straight down checking after every whack, and adjusting the next whack.Plus you have to steer the m/s into the low-gear bore.(*note6) Finally re-install the rear snapring and return the borrowed outter ring.


NOTES
(*1) these flat bars need to be as thick as possible so they don't bend, yet thin enough so you snuggle them up to the m/s to support the inner race. I don't recall how thick the plate is that I fabbed up, and I know there is not much room in there. I'm gonna guess that 3/16 is about the max that you can fit in there. Use whatever you can. to get the bearing moving, and then reposition the bars after every whack until the bars are up tight to the m/s. Whatever soft chunk you use to protect the m/s,will absorb some of the shock of the the hammer blows.
(*2) Instead of this method, you can install those flat bars you earlier used. You just move the box to the side (we're not gonna use it), and place the bars between the bearing and the steel workbench (*note 3), again snuggling them up close to the m/s.Then the slider supports, and then the brass and hammer again.
(*3) No steel table? then bring the box back and put the flat bars between the bearing and the box.The rest is the same.
(*4) the slider supports only need to be thick enough to prevent the sliders from falling all the way down onto the gears under it. When this happens the struts usually pop out the backside. If this happens to you,don't panic! They are easily re-positioned with a small screwdriver, and a little upwards pressure on the slider until the last one pops back in. Then the slider will pop up into neutral. But you do have to be careful to make sure that the energizer spring gets properly captured by each strut. No big deal.
(*5) Some might think that all that whacking might damage the races. Well firstly you'd have to be brutal. And secondly even if you managed to drive the balls into the races, the divots would be on the sides of the races. This is how I was taught to do it when I worked in a tranny shop. In 5.5 years, I never had to warranty a bearing. Heck I don't recall any warranties of any kind ever. And I have put around 300,000 miles on a total of 3 of my own transmissions built this way,since 1972, with no complaints.Your results may vary.
(*6) sccachallenger mentioned using a pipe; this works too. The set-up is a little different. Just ask if you can't figure it out.Using this method the low-gear stays on the m/s by gravity, and all the force of pounding goes straight into the inner race, and from there into the soft steel table, and little to no steering is required to slide the bearing into place. And you can pound directly on the end of the pipe,but if you do,the pounded end of the pipe is usually sacrificed, so it's a one-time use tool.
 
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BTW; if you install the empty tail onto the empty box with the box nose down on the bench, you can make your life easier by rotating the tail until you can see the hole for the cluster-pin. Try to drop the pin into the hole. If you can then you're good to go. But if not, I clearance the tail with a grinder, until the pin drops in.
This trick will make assembly soooo much easier.
Grease and install the Thrust washers,followed by the loaded cluster. Insert the loaded input gear and install the outter snapring. Flip the box nose down, dropping the input shaft down thru the hole in the bench you earlier drilled. Push the cluster down into the bottom of the box taking care not to lose the washers. Glue or grease the rear gasket on,so it stays on the tail. Load the tail up,and engage the overdrive gear.Orient the loaded tail so it's in the correct position to drop the cluster pin in, then slowly lower that tail straight down into the input gear being careful not to dislodge any of those little rollers. Now pull the cluster back into alignment and drop the pin in with it's little key, being sure to engage the T-washers.
Now the tricky part; rotate the tail into it's correct position and install two bolts,snug. The tricky part is in the rotating of the tail without losing or damaging the gasket. If you lift up on the tail, you stand a good chance of pulling the nose out of the rollers. If you push the input back up as far as it will go, and flip the box on it's side, you have to be ultra careful that the whole thing doesn't all flip apart.
What I have discovered is that one of the rear box holes lines up with one of the upside down tail holes. Ah-Ha! Just put that one bolt in snug, and get the box on it's side. Now install the front retainer. Then with the box still on it's side,pull that one bolt back out, and rotate the tail into position, making sure the tail doesn't fall out. Check the gasket position and re-install and snug,that one bolt you're still holding, followed, by the others. Then torque everything up.
Finally, put her in neutral and verify that the input rotates freely without dragging the m/s with it, indicating that the front rollers are still all in place. And of course the slider look-see,to prove that the struts are still all where they are supposed to be,and the reverse shift test. Then the cover, and a repeat of the shift tests, including especially the reverse shift,which should snick nicely in and out.
 
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Wow! All that for a cup of coffee.
Right place to ask a question....
 
It, bought a press,save the swinging press for things that wont fit.
 
Wow AJ, now I feel kinda bad for taking it to a shop in the first place lol...

That's an awesome explanation and idea, I'll try it when I get the chance... School starts back up again tomorrow, so it may be a while but I'll post an update when it's done! Thank you all for the help.
 
I don't remember EVER using a press or puller to remove that bearing, but it's been at least 25 years since I was into an 833.


I bet "cough gag" Horrid Freight has bearing splitters. Hell a press for that matter
 
It REALLY pays to buy a shop press. Cheap as they are these days, even if you only use it every year or two, when you need one you NEED one.
 
It REALLY pays to buy a shop press. Cheap as they are these days, even if you only use it every year or two, when you need one you NEED one.
And especially these days when they want $140 to $200 for a loaded front wheel bearing cartridge, that has a 20 dollar bearing in it. Four wheel bearings pays for the press with plenty of change back. Well maybe not in Alaska,lol.
 
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And especially these days when they want $140 to $200 for a loaded front wheel bearing cartridge, that has a 20 dollar bearing in it. Four wheel bearings pays for the press with plenty of change back. Well maybe not in Alaska,lol.
I think my issue is more related to being a broke high school student with a car addiction... But otherwise I would get a press

...and maybe a Bridgeport :D
 
Yeah I figured that.
Welcome to HotRodding.
I think we've all been down that road.
I got my first Mope in fall of 1970, It was a 70 Swinger340 4-speed and 3.55s. I was 17 that summer, and just going into grade 11. In the next 4 years, that car burned thru 2 clutchs, broke; 1 rear-end,1 driveshafts,2 trannys and finally the engine. Along the way, it ate 1 alternator, 1 starter, 1 battery,and about 14 tires. I finally sold it in winter of 75/76, to pay back-rent. She was all used up, with over 100,000 miles on her. And I was 3 years out of hi-school. And broke. And living in my brother-in-laws basement.No job.And now, walking.
A year and a half later, I was married,had a great job,and the wife and I were looking to buy a house. Ain't life grand.
 
Heat it. You MIGHT get lucky and it will pull right off with a couple pry bars. I've done this. It can work. Sometimes.
 
Im not big on HF tools with moving parts, but the HF press will pay for itself in a weekend
 
Im not big on HF tools with moving parts, but the HF press will pay for itself in a weekend
I have a HF press and with a little extra care, it works just fine. Been using it since 2008. Paid for itself many, many times over.
 
Heat it. You MIGHT get lucky and it will pull right off with a couple pry bars. I've done this. It can work. Sometimes.
I was hoping on heating the new bearing to get it on, but I don't know if that would be a bad idea. Are the bearings hardened steel or will heating it up not affect the strength of them? I was gonna toss it in the oven at 500 degrees and leave the mainshaft outside to get around a total of 7 thou of clearance. Is that a horrible idea?
 
I tried 250 degrees, in a smoking hot oil bath. I think 500 is too much, but that's an opinion. 250 didn't work. I tried 400 in the oven, but every time I tried that I killed a good pair of oven mitts. And by the time I got the set-up, set up, it was too late, the bearing went part way on,got stuck, and there I was, fuming, cuz now I had to get the stoopid thing off there again, and dang, everything was hot!
So good luck with that. Not being an azz, good luck.
 
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