Suicide? Don’t do it, seek help...please!

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I’m just posting this because you never know who it might reach. Saying it out loud might just change someone’s path.


The deaths of celebrity chef Anthony Bourdain and fashion designer Kate Spade highlight a troubling trend — rising suicides among middle-aged Americans.

Mental health problems, often undiagnosed, are usually involved and experts say knowing warning signs and who is at risk can help stop a crisis from becoming a tragedy.

Bourdain, 61, and Spade, 55, died three days and a continent apart this week amid a new U.S. report showing an uptick in suicides rates in nearly every state since 1999. Middle-aged adults — ages 45 to 64 — had the largest rate increase , according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Previous studies have suggested economic downturns and the nation’s opioid crisis contributed to the rise in middle-aged suicides.

Dr. Christine Moutier, a psychiatrist and chief medical officer for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, said Friday it’s important for everyone to know the warning signs and to intervene when family members, friends or co-workers appear troubled. Asking if they’ve had suicidal thoughts is not harmful and lets them know you care, she said.

Behavior that may indicate someone is suicidal includes:

—Talking about feeling hopeless, trapped, a burden to others or wanting to die.

—Unusual mood swings or withdrawing from family, friends and usual activities.

—Giving away important possessions.

—Increased use of alcohol or drugs.

This week’s report found that many suicides were in people with no known mental illness. But Dr. Joshua Gordon, director of the National Institute of Mental Health, said that contradicts years of data, suggesting many have “gone undiagnosed and untreated. It’s very troubling.”

Gordon said doctors need to ask patients at every opportunity about their mental health and evaluate their risk for suicide.

“When you ask everybody and not just people you might suspect, you double the number you detect,” he said.

Gordon noted that psychotherapy and certain psychiatric drugs have been shown to reduce suicidal tendencies.

Moutier of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, said that suicides can be “contagious” — hearing about one may make others who are already at risk turn to self-harm. She said celebrity suicides also typically prompt an increase in calls to suicide hotlines.

“People should know that suicide is preventable. Anyone contemplating suicide should know that help is available, and that there is no shame in seeking care for your mental health,” Says Dr. Altha Stewart of the American Psychiatric association.
 
I agree, not just muddled aged individuals however.

There are 22 veterans taking their own lives EVERY DAY!

That's right, not a typo!
 
WTF? Find and accept Jesus into your life (you don't even have to search), family, friends and Mopars...in that order. Sorry, It irks me to find that someone finds so much pity in himself that he feels suicide is the solution. Its not.
 
WTF? Find and accept Jesus into your life (you don't even have to search), family, friends and Mopars...in that order. Sorry, It irks me to find that someone finds so much pity in himself that he feels suicide is the solution. Its not.

It is when your depression is so bad that it's the only reasonable thought you have. It has *nothing* to do with pity and everything to do with despair and a feeling everyone would be better off without you.

Seriously. I have Jesus. I have friends. I have family. I have Mopars. Still didn't stop me from trying to jam a six inch knife between my ribs.

I also have a mental illness that is controlled through medication and therapy. There is no cure. My prayer life is strong and my sons are my world. Still didn't stop the attempts and fantasizing.

Maybe instead of castigating you take a moment to learn.
 
Maybe instead of castigating you take a moment to learn.
It is hard to wrap my head around something so self destructive to ones self and surrounding family. It just goes against all I have been taught and believe. Sorry to criticize a condition but suicide affects much more than one person. I have very close contact with 3 survivors and all tell me it was pity upon themselves caused by an external factor, not a mental condition, and 2 were out of spite.

Hope you get better.
 
i dont know what leads a person to take their own lives but the fact that some many veterans do it, leads me to believe PTSD may play a role in it (i just finished reading a book by Medal of Honor recipient Sammie Davis and he mentioned a fellow recipient who killed himself, i believe he was in his 40s)

to say that Jesus is the answer, might not cover the whole issue (after all, Elijah who was a hero for God, got so depressed he asked God to kill him) but i do believe the Christian live, lived out in the manner the Bible prescribes is the only healthy way to live

(im trying not to get preachy here, but accepting Jesus as your Savior, also means satan is now actively your enemy, and he will oppose you. if he can place thoughts of suicide in your mind, he will)
that is one of the reasons why it is so important to get into church once you get saved, because that is where you will find the support (exhortation) you need
 
I have known a few, vets and non vets, varying ages. I don't have the answers, but it seems that some people feel that when and where they die is the only and final thing that they actually have control of. Is it right or wrong? who's to say.
 
It is when your depression is so bad that it's the only reasonable thought you have. It has *nothing* to do with pity and everything to do with despair and a feeling everyone would be better off without you.

Seriously. I have Jesus. I have friends. I have family. I have Mopars. Still didn't stop me from trying to jam a six inch knife between my ribs.

I also have a mental illness that is controlled through medication and therapy. There is no cure. My prayer life is strong and my sons are my world. Still didn't stop the attempts and fantasizing.

Maybe instead of castigating you take a moment to learn.

Agree.
The basic instinct of all Gods creations is to survive .
Unless you have and live with this illness. And it is an illness.
It's hard to comprehend what people who have it go thru.
No rational thinking person wants to end there life.
You have walk that road to understand it,, and it's a dark lonely road.
And that's what the OP is saying. Look for the signs in others.

Keep fighting Rob. Last thing any of us want to do is let our children believe
Ending it us the right thing to do.
 
It is a disease like cancer. Not all is treatable. I see people with depression and don’t really how to help. Let them talk and listen is good
 
Who are we to judge if someone else's life is worth living to them?

If for some reason I seriously wanted to commit suicide I sure wouldn't want anyone interfering.
That in itself would be the main reason I wouldn't discuss it with anyone.
 
When life gets hard and kicks you in the balls, many people think about suicide, whether you are "normal" or have some mental issue... You need to keep a level head and not pursue that option even though you feel that it would solve your problems... Hopefully things will work out if you hang in there... If you try hard enough, you can get through the hard times, you just need to decide to work at pulling yourself out of your difficult times...

You have to keep in mind that you only get one life, don't throw that away.... There are no guarantees that you will have a good life... Some people get more opportunities than others, you have to play the cards that are dealt to you and try to make the best of it...

I've had my ups and downs during my life, but I've kept pushing and worked and overcame my hard times...

You get out of it what you put into it... Sometimes you have to work at life... You can't just coast through it and expect it to be all roses...


I heard an interview with a guy that once tried to commit suicide and jumped off a bridge... He said that half-way down he decided that it wasn't such a good idea.... Luckily he survived and was able to get through and turn his life around... Always keep that in mind before trying to end your life...
 
With all of the latest school shootings, public shootings, and suicides, you gotta wonder if it is the consequences of the governments closing the mental health facilities to cut budgets... People that need the help can't get it...

They close the mental health facilities and throw those people "out on the street"... Then wonder why they 'snap'.... :elmer:

Until they do something that will get them in trouble or thrown in jail... Then they just fill the jails with them instead of helping them... Classic example of getting rid of one problem and creating a larger one... :realcrazy: :BangHead:
 
What keeps me going is knowing that it can always be worse. But death is going to visit no matter what so, the end result is the same. It is a matter of sooner or later. I sometimes wonder if people who check out by their own choice know something that we "mentally normal " people dont :)
 
Lets not forget "Psychotropic" drugs that the medical system/govt prescribes and the problems that they cause.
 
I agree, not just muddled aged individuals however.

There are 22 veterans taking their own lives EVERY DAY!

That's right, not a typo!
With all due respect Master Sergeant (and very much is due), the "22 A Day" is not what it appears to be. That number was derived from the VA's 2012 Suicide Data Report and it includes all suicides from ALL veterans of ALL eras of service.

For example: If someone served 4 years as a Coast Guard chef stateside during peacetime in their early twenties and then committed suicide in their late 60's it is counted as a "Veteran Suicide" even though the person's military service had relatively no impact on their choice to commit suicide. These events are the overwhelming bulk of the "22 A Day". The more accurate data that is relative to service-related suicide is <1 a day (still too many in my opinion).

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to downplay the seriousness of Veteran Suicide, or suicide in general. For the last ten years and currently I have served as a family liaison and resource for several active duty commands and one of the areas we train in is suicide prevention/support.

But, the "22 A Day" phenomena being misused by the media and politicians will have more lasting negative effects on service members. If we promote the idea that military service=mental illness, depression, and suicide it makes it that much harder for service members to integrate into society as a whole.
 
Mission 22

Will not argue.

I do know that 1 to 2 a day are taking place from the Camp Lejeune complex alone!

Not all are by swallowing a 230/grain projectile, or jumping off bridges. Many die on 200hp Suzuki scooters and such. If it's one, it's too many!

I will not dig up the specifics but I believe itit is higher than you believe.
 
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Having seen it too many times there are a few things I have learned. You won't understand someone committing suicide because it is an extremely irrational decision. I personally believe that something takes over a persons mind who commits suicide and it is not actually the person you know that killed themselves. It is something that has never been understood and or ever will..... Scientist have not a clue about it.

Through the history of the human organism this has been a constant staple and records certainly confirm that statement. And I have personally seen one instance where the one person I think could catch someone before they did it missed it altogether. He will take it to his grave. When that happened it just confirmed my thoughts on suicide.

As for people who call them cowards, you are entitled to your opinion but most people have too much yellow running down their spine to do it. You are a bad SOB to take your own life. There is no turning back and an absolute action. And this is the big one. Once again, a rational person can't rationalize with it.

I personally hope to never know of anyone in my lifetime ever again who kills themselves. The emotional damage left behind for those left to pick up the pieces is something I hope to never visit again. But odds are someone else I know will end it on their terms or so to speak.....

Stay safe folks....

JW
 
What keeps me going is knowing that it can always be worse. But death is going to visit no matter what so, the end result is the same. It is a matter of sooner or later. I sometimes wonder if people who check out by their own choice know something that we "mentally normal " people dont :)

You said a mouthful here. I have wondered this many times myself. Hopefully in my lifespan the time will never come to where I get the answer to this.

JW
 
It is written that Jesus took our diseases, our sicknesses and out infirmities...... to the cross. God never told us to beg Him to take them away,or for us to hope that He will hear us; He already did. We get the diseases of the pagans because we do not understand the Power Jesus left behind when He ascended, or we do not understand that WE have the authority to get rid of them, when we do come under attack.
Part of our unbelief come from the doctrine of where the heck is God, or the equally satanic doctrine of God is everywhere all the time.
No He's not! He is in the third heaven sitting on His throne, waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles to come in. And Jesus is right beside Him. God divorced us and retired. Jesus returned and tried to reach our stiff-necked ancestors, but instead they murdered Him. But before that happened, He brought His message to the Gentiles.
Anyone who hears the Gospel message has the opportunity to partake of the Blessings. Or refuse, and partake of the Cursings, by default. Anyone who accepts the Gospel message, receives a measure of faith and the power to become a son of God. Sadly many times the message falls on poor ground, or the new Christian does not receive continued support by the Church, or satan comes and steals his faith away. In any case this is very sad, and speaks volumes about how the modern church has failed.
Getting Jesus sounds like a plan alrightee, but keeping Jesus, is the bigger thing. That measure of faith has to be actively pursued, built up to be a full body armor,so that; satan, his minions or the evil spirits, can no longer penetrate it. Faith comes "by hearing"..... It does not say "by reading". What's the difference one might ask. Try it and see.
Remember the serpent's query," hath God really said?"
I had feelings of suicide once. That was a long long lifetime ago. Now I pound demons to pieces and banish them to outter darkness. My armor is light as a feather but resists their attacks. Even in my sleep.
I empathize with people with those feelings, but as Believers we should be kicking such feelings to outter darkness. The hard part is convincing the unbeliever to switch camps, and for as long as he remains in the devils grip, what can we do for him? I don't have all the answers; my own three kids want nothing to do with God. Sadly, by default,they will burn.
 
This thread isn’t an invitation for prosthelizing.

It’s about recognizing when someone has serious intentions of suicide and helping them get the help they need before they make an awful final decision. The help needed is to intervene before they are at the precipice of action and direct them to multiple sources of help...not prosthelize one.
 
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