How full is my oil pan?

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It's nice that that their shows it doesn't touch the oil and also there would be oil being sucked out of there at the time the crank would be going around? With that said is there a need for a windage tray?
 
But wouldn't that be well lubricated?

The only part of the crank that needs lubed is the journals. However the oil falling down from the upper part of the engine that hits the crank is cooling the crank.

Windage tray breaks up the windage in the pan area and scraps rhe excess oil from the rotating assemble.
 
There is a size of oil pan where a windage tray does not help any longer.

12 qt?

Don't think Briggs & Stratton Splash Lube.
 
j par said:
I was wondering at what point does it start pushing against the seals? Like my 8 quart milodon oil pan, if I was to lay on the ground face up and pour oil in it at 8 quarts would it make it up to the seals?
I reckon when installed there's things like the pickup tube that are displacing oil.
I'm just never tried it.
Thank you for your experience.
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My race x block has no provision for a dip stick. Rather than drill a hole for one, I put a sight plug in my oil pan. I measured from the pan rail to the bottom of the wind age tray and placed my sight plug in the middle of that distance. This way I know the crank is not dipping into the oil level. No where's near the seals.
 
Duane said:
I put a sight plug in my oil pan. I measured from the pan rail to the bottom of the wind age tray and placed my sight plug in the middle of that distance. This way I know the crank is not dipping into the oil level. No where's near the seals.
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How would that work?
If you fill up to the sight plug the bottom of the windage tray would be under oil.

Wouldn't it work better to measure from the bottom of the pan ro the bottom of the windage tray. Then put the sight plug below the windage tray.
 
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Duane said:
My race x block has no provision for a dip stick. Rather than drill a hole for one, I put a sight plug in my oil pan. I measured from the pan rail to the bottom of the wind age tray and placed my sight plug in the middle of that distance. This way I know the crank is not dipping into the oil level. No where's near the seals.
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I didn't have a stock dick stick to put in it cuz obviously those always get destroyed coming out if they're even salvageable. so I bought one of those cheap Chrome tubes with a dipstick off of summit or something. I have an entire thread dedicated to when the stroker ate that first dipstick and all the pictures a long time ago. So now I just put the measured amount and a little stubby 6 inch lo dummy dipstick with a spring attached to it so it can't fall out.
Sooo, I believe I have the stock dipstick to check the oil with the summit Chrome cheap tube. when it gets about a half inch from going all the way and it feels like it hits something and I have to twist it and bang on it till it passes it and can go all the way in? Probably whatever that is the crank? I believe, I don't know why still?
 
And I already know the obvious just note where on the dipstick is at 8 quarts and make a mark.
 
pishta said:
I know on a trans pan, the static level is about 1/4 inch above the pan rail where it will seep out the dipstick if allowed. Oil pans should be easy to figure out, just put the dipstick in and youll get a rough estimate where the static fluid line is. Used to be a good indicator of whether your trans dipstick O-ring was bad was if it leaked over night but not while idling.
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This answered a question I asked a few weeks back , thanks Pishta !
 
Jadaharabi said:
But wouldn't that be well lubricated?

The only part of the crank that needs lubed is the journals. However the oil falling down from the upper part of the engine that hits the crank is cooling the crank.

Windage tray breaks up the windage in the pan area and scraps rhe excess oil from the rotating assemble.
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It also creates a slinging oil rope traveling around the crank at blinding speeds, costing some h.p.
Do some study on oil control and effects.
 
j par said:
I didn't have a stock dick stick to put in it cuz obviously those always get destroyed coming out if they're even salvageable. so I bought one of those cheap Chrome tubes with a dipstick off of summit or something. I have an entire thread dedicated to when the stroker ate that first dipstick and all the pictures a long time ago. So now I just put the measured amount and a little stubby 6 inch lo dummy dipstick with a spring attached to it so it can't fall out.
Sooo, I believe I have the stock dipstick to check the oil with the summit Chrome cheap tube. when it gets about a half inch from going all the way and it feels like it hits something and I have to twist it and bang on it till it passes it and can go all the way in? Probably whatever that is the crank? I believe, I don't know why still?
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I couldn`t make the stock dipstick tube fit in my engine bay w/ the headers and motor plate. I bought a cable type flexable dipstick assembly off ebay. Not knowing or trusting "what it really
fit lengthwise" I checked it after adding 7 qts. to my old 7 qt funny car alum. pan, the dipstick is right on the money >
Once upon a time , I bought an alum. tie rod tube type, full length, rear sump hemi pan from Jim Hale, I filled it w/ water trying to figure out where to mark the dip stick., 32 qts to the pan rail ! Obviously I only ran 9 qts in it ! LOL
 
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Jadaharabi said:
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How would that work?
If you fill up to the sight plug the bottom of the windage tray would be under oil.

Wouldn't it work better to measure from the bottom of the pan ro the bottom of the windage tray. Then put the sight plug below the windage tray.
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Sorry I did not explain that very well. The middle level of the sight plug is at the level of the oil that my measurements told me would keep the wind age tray and the crank throws out of the oil.
To check my oil level I just look at the sight plug. I used a sight plug for an air compressor.
 
Duane said:
Sorry I did not explain that very well. The middle level of the sight plug is at the level of the oil that my measurements told me would keep the wind age tray and the crank throws out of the oil.
To check my oil level I just look at the sight plug. I used a sight plug for an air compressor.
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Like a motorcycle...
 
Don't forget when the engine is running there is at least a qt of oil in the engine lowering the level.
 
j par said:
And I already know the obvious just note where on the dipstick is at 8 quarts and make a mark.
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I think on my old race motor I cut 1" off my dipstick tube lowering the level in the pan, It was a custom built pan and with the dipstick down 1" it held 7 qts
 
I added all of these Quotes before i add this link. which i fill it appropriate for this discussion.
Jadaharabi said:
j par are you overthinking things again?

If you have the oil level at the rear seal your crank would be about half way under oil.
The farther the oil is below the crank the more power the engine makes.
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j par said:
It's nice that that their shows it doesn't touch the oil and also there would be oil being sucked out of there at the time the crank would be going around? With that said is there a need for a windage tray?
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famous bob said:
It also creates a slinging oil rope traveling around the crank at blinding speeds, costing some h.p.
Do some study on oil control and effects.
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Engine Masters: Season Season 3, Episode 32 - How Oil Kills Power! | Motor Trend

After i watched this, i have decided that i only need 2 Quarts of oil!.... in my ride :p JUST KIDDING!!!!!!
For those that don't want to watch this video. You don't want 8 Quarts in a 8 Quarts pan. because of windage and it can cost you up to 20 HP because of it. also will lose some oil pressure at top rpm do too air in the oil stream:eek:
 
Cudafever said:
I added all of these Quotes before i add this link. which i fill it appropriate for this discussion.






Engine Masters: Season Season 3, Episode 32 - How Oil Kills Power! | Motor Trend

After i watched this, i have decided that i only need 2 Quarts of oil!.... in my ride :p JUST KIDDING!!!!!!
For those that don't want to watch this video. You don't want 8 Quarts in a 8 Quarts pan. because of windage and it can cost you up to 20 HP because of it. also will lose some oil pressure at top rpm do too air in the oil stream:eek:
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2 QTS--LOL
 
Ok let's say 3 QTS! Got to have enough to fill up the oil filter:D

I have over filled a stock oil pan by one Q. Before i put baffles in the pan, to keep my hyd lifter from clattering to death in the shut down area of the track.
 
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