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Bill Crowell

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I'm removing all the stuff necessary to lift the body off the frame of my 1922 Dodge Bros. touring car because I need to repair rust-outs at the bottom of the cowl on both sides. Here are some pictures of the car as partially disassembled.

This is a late 1922 series car, similar to a 1923 model, with the higher cowl and taller radiator than previous models had. It was originally purchased by the gardening and landscape manager of a large estate in Atherton, California, whose daughter inherited it from him and kept it for many years. Her children sold it to a museum which planned to restore it due to its originality, and kept it for about 20 years, but never did restore it. The museum eventually sold it to a collector, from whom I bought it in 1986. It's a strong runner.

This car has the "single unit" motor (i.e., with a NorthEast Electric combined starter-generator). A few years later DB switched over to the separate starter and generator ("two-unit") motor because it was cheaper than the starter-generator.

The wood spoke wheels were made by Kelsey-Hayes and are painted the original "postal blue".

For the first 6 years or so of manufacturing the car, DB supplied top saddles as standard equipment, but when the 1921 recession hit they eliminated some of the standard equipment, including the top saddles, which then became optional extras and which hardly anybody bought. Most people would just lower the tom and let it ride on the rear-mounted spare tire, which wore a hole in it. Top saddles for post-1921 models are very hard to find, and you need just the right type or the top won't sit right when lowered. My car didn't have top saddles when I bought it, but luckily I was able to find the correct ones.

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So, how many ask, "what year is that model T?" LOL
 
Del, to paraphrase John Dodge: "It's not a Model T. It's a real car."

Some automotive historians have argued that it was the Dodge Bros. car that made most people take automobiles seriously because it was popularly-priced and very dependable. Much of that dependability was because it had a water pump, a distributor and electric starting, which the Model T didn't have.
 
That is really nice Bill, I can imagine how much fun owning that is. I know she's a head turner on the road. The Blue wheels are outstanding.
I've always wondered: how come Detroit turned out some poor 4 cylinders in my day when they made them so well in the 20s. Anyways you are doing a great job preserving her, and thanks for the picture.
 
I like imagining what it was like to own cars like this when they were new. It says a lot about what life was like then. Back in 1980, I drove a friends 35 Ford Cabriolet. It had a flat head, manual shift, (duh) and mechanical brakes. His father bought it in 37 and it was his driver until he bought a 54 Chevy. (Don't know if it was new.) My friend remembers going to the drive in movies with his mom and dad, in his pajamas, in the rumble seat. He's 74 now.
Thanks, Bill, nice car.
 
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I've always wondered: how come Detroit turned out some poor 4 cylinders in my day when they made them so well in the 20s.

Not so sure about how well-made those old long-stroke 4-cylinder motors were, B'cuda. They had a really bad secondary unbalance that can make it almost painful to drive them at certain RPMs. When I asked the daughter of the original owner if she had any memories of riding in the car as a child, she replied that she always tried to ride in a newer 6-cylinder car instead, because the old 4-cylinder was "so rough", as she put it.
 
That is really nice Bill, I can imagine how much fun owning that is. I know she's a head turner on the road. The Blue wheels are outstanding.
I've always wondered: how come Detroit turned out some poor 4 cylinders in my day when they made them so well in the 20s. Anyways you are doing a great job preserving her, and thanks for the picture.

In all honesty, B'cuda, antique cars from the teens and twenties are dreadful to drive, and are best appreciated as works of art or conversation pieces.

They had very low horsepower, and consequently a very poor power-to-weight ratio, so it is hard to accelerate onto the roadway fast enough to avoid getting traffic backed up behind you. I'd like to be able to drive my Dodge Brothers a few miles down to the Jiffy Mart and back on the county road, but there is a hill pretty soon after I enter the road from my driveway, and I can't get it going fast enough to climb the hill in third gear, so I have to do it in second, which is pretty low, and I really get traffic behind me when I do that. The transmission is non-synchro, so you've got to plan pretty carefully to keep your speed up high enough to climb hills in third gear because shifting down into second is pretty hard.

Also, the wheels had to be strong due to the poor road conditions back then, so they are heavy, giving the car a poor sprung-to-unsprung weight ratio. The springs had to be very strong, too, and they are totally undamped. "Snubbers" were an optional extra which few people bought. So you go down the road "boing, boing, boing" after you hit a bump.

The chassis and suspension are basically a warmed-over horse-drawn buggy design, and the steering is rather imprecise. You have to correct the steering a lot.

At a certain RPM the secondary imbalance of the long-stroke 4-cylinder engine becomes very irritating, so you have to avoid that RPM.

I think pretty much all of the cars of this era were like this. For example, at about 18 minutes into this video, Mark Clayton of the Restore Cars restoration shop describes what it's like to drive a '22 Packard. And I think that was a 6-cylinder. I think that Packard had a bad engine. It did seem to be using oil. Probably it had poor compression. Clayton says he could only get it to do 45 miles an hour, while my 4-cylinder Dodge Bros. will cruise all day at 47 and its top speed is around 55. Could go faster, but it wouldn't be prudent at all.

 
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If I may resuscitate this old thread: I have the body off my old Dodge Brothers touring car for the first time since it was manufactured at the Hamtramck plant in November of 1922. I am going to sandblast the frame, axles, underbody, etc. before re-painting them, and I'd like to ask you guys what cleaning method you would use before sandblasting? Pressure wash? But doesn't a lot of the water get into the transmission and differential? Thanks a lot for your help and suggestions, guys.

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