It's nothing new for me. Been like this my entire life and about everything...even the bad. Which can make the difference between county and prison lol
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Things Change.. Butters is now getting a 392
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DionR
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Been that way for most of my life. My wife is pretty proud that she has gotten me to the point that I can carry on a conversation that isn’t about cars. My current quagmire is ABS retrofits and if the LX/LC module could be made to work. What was the question again? 
While checking out your heater hose fittings, I noticed the 09 and up water pump has provisions for the temp sensor. On the pre-09 models, its in the block. I'm sure this is due to the VVT changes to the block in those years. @DionR do you know if the water pump pulley spacing is the same on the different years? Using a 09+ water pump on a pre 09 retrofit would solve the problem of needing the DIY thermostat extender for the gauge sender.
DionR
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There are 2 spacing and they don’t match when VVT was added with the ‘09-‘10 5.7 and 6.1 spacing matching the ‘08 down non-VVT spacing. So an ‘09 water pump might work but no idea if it will bolt on as the timing chain cover is different and I don’t know what changed.
I know the oil pump was pushed out due to VVT so the TC cover had to get deeper in that area but no idea what it did at the water pump area. If I had to guess, the water pump got pushed out as well and the swap won’t work, but not sure.
You would have to buy a water pump and try it though. My gut says the water pump won’t bolt onto the ‘08 TC cover, but just a guess.
I wonder if the TC cover could be swapped at the same time though. If the ‘09 TC cover and water pump were used with the ‘08 crank pulley pretty sure everything would line up. I know the alternator and PS pump cross over so makes sense it would work. The missing data is if there is something different in the bolt patterns.
I looked at some photos on rock auto. It looks like the bolt pattern is the same, but the big difference I see is the height of the idler pulley mounting locations. Oh well, I thought it would be an easy solution. Might as well just get the DIY extension...
You could always tap the back side of the TC cover. Or the alternative would be the press in and locktite fittings that are used with supercharger setups...
Challenger Charger Hemi Magnuson Supercharger Heater Water Pump Fitting Nipple SWMMAGHTR | Steve White Parts
BTW.. the fitting you're referring to is used in some applications as a coolant supply for an oil filter cooler. Otherwise plugged. On my 5.7, the cooler line actually comes from the thermostat housing
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I hadn't thought of till now but I wonder if you could use one of these thermostat housings. This was the factory optioned oil cooler for a 2014 pursuit with a 5. 7
This is the 5.7 in Hoopty and I was able to retain the oil cooler. The other line runs into the lower hose. That was fun to make!
DionR
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FYI, he is looking for a place to put a temp sensor.
Yes, my 2019 uses the tapped casting ports. But thermostat housing is a viable option for a heater hose on a 6.1 or any pre eagle and not worry about the water pump interchangeabilityFor what it’s worth, the plugged port in the front of the water pump is what the later motors used when they had an oil cooler. Can’t say exactly when they changed it, but probably after 2014.
DionR
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Dang, you are too quick for me. Posted that and then re-read your earlier post and saw you already said that, so I deleted my post.
DionR
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My bet is he still needs to buy a water pump and was hoping to only need to buy one part.
I'm actually using the same ports as you are for the heater. The plugged hole in the front was 1/4" NPT and I drilled and tapped it to 3/8" NPT. I plugged the heater port from the inside behind the water pump. Only because I already had the timing cover and damper re-installed. I couldn't come up with a good way to run the hoses out the back since my heater hoses go through a bulkhead on the inner fender close to the radiator support. Keeping them up front will make them run about how my LA hoses are run currently. Those supercharger fitting are cool!
This is the same thermostat housing I have and it did supply water to the oil cooler. My engine is an 06 from a low mileage crashed pursuit car. I'm not using the oil cooler, so I'll likely try to find one without it, or cut it off and weld the hole up.
ANd sorry.. Just realized you were talking about the actual temp sensor and not the place my brain went. My brain wasn't braining lol
No worries. I don't have a problem using the DIY spacer, I just thought I discovered a neat new trick. DIY is are about an hour from me. I'll likely see if I can just pick them up.
He might still have some of the DIY branded stuff... Cheaper
Like I've said, I typically work on the Dart over the weekends.. But I had to take advantage of the warm indiana weather yesterday when I got home from work. Mid 60s!
Had my fuel tank sitting there on the bench, waiting to be drained and the new Holley in tank pump ready to go it. So I drug it outside, slapped it on the bed of the SxS and got it knocked out. About 7 gallons of 87 to be donated to the SxS and mower .
Pump was an easy install of coarse.. Just like changjbf a sending unit.. Kinda. Hopefully it reads fuel level better than my cheap aftermarket sender did...
Had my fuel tank sitting there on the bench, waiting to be drained and the new Holley in tank pump ready to go it. So I drug it outside, slapped it on the bed of the SxS and got it knocked out. About 7 gallons of 87 to be donated to the SxS and mower .
Pump was an easy install of coarse.. Just like changjbf a sending unit.. Kinda. Hopefully it reads fuel level better than my cheap aftermarket sender did...
I'll be curious how this pump works without baffling in the tank. I've autocrossed with as little as 5-7 gallons left in mine with no problem, but I have the Tanks Inc. tank with the baffle.
I've read that the mat does quite well. I have a cell in Hoopty with a fitech pump with mat, no baffles or foam and it seems ok.. but I'm not a curvy driver
Not the most productive weekend.. Worked on tying up more lose end and tidying up the build and the shop. It was time.
I think I spent more time thinking about what's next than actually focusing on the present. And just becoming obsessed with a few tiny details. Waiting on some ac fittings and since that's primarily where my brain has been for the past week or so.. It was hard to change gears.
I did get my AC thermostat relocated and got the probe into the evap. Just didn't like the look on the firewall plus this should better than wrapping around the low side line. There is so much crap in that dash and an absolute pain to do or add anything in there. Also made a radio delete panel for the gaping where the radio once was.. Thanks previous owner for chopping that out for the awesome $75 jvc stereo. Added the oil pressure gauge there as well. Wasn't going to, but I had it to use. I'll use a 7" tablet for everything else.. May upgrade to the mx+ obd reader and use the tablet for all gauges and tuck the on dash gauge away. For now, I just wanted something I knew would work accurately on start up.
O, also put some thought into power steering pressures. I bought a Camry pump and pulled the pressure valve out. Found that the body was different but everything else interchanged. So pulled all the removable parts out and put them into my 6.4 pumps valve body. Camry is supposed to be rated at 1100ish psi. I'm also using the Turn One 2.5 flow restrictor. I went ahead and bought a power steering analyzer so I can test pressures and flow rate. If I don't hit the right numbers, I'll grind the tip off the Camry valve to match the stock valve.. Saw someone on YouTube do that too. The Borgeson box is rated at 1100-1250 with a max of 1450. I bought one of sublimes reused pressure valves but it's only rated at 850..borgeson said they feel that's too low. Last thing I wanna deal with is blowing this box.
Alot of words for not alot accomplished... But here's some pics to look at. At least the interior is back together!
I think I spent more time thinking about what's next than actually focusing on the present. And just becoming obsessed with a few tiny details. Waiting on some ac fittings and since that's primarily where my brain has been for the past week or so.. It was hard to change gears.
I did get my AC thermostat relocated and got the probe into the evap. Just didn't like the look on the firewall plus this should better than wrapping around the low side line. There is so much crap in that dash and an absolute pain to do or add anything in there. Also made a radio delete panel for the gaping where the radio once was.. Thanks previous owner for chopping that out for the awesome $75 jvc stereo. Added the oil pressure gauge there as well. Wasn't going to, but I had it to use. I'll use a 7" tablet for everything else.. May upgrade to the mx+ obd reader and use the tablet for all gauges and tuck the on dash gauge away. For now, I just wanted something I knew would work accurately on start up.
O, also put some thought into power steering pressures. I bought a Camry pump and pulled the pressure valve out. Found that the body was different but everything else interchanged. So pulled all the removable parts out and put them into my 6.4 pumps valve body. Camry is supposed to be rated at 1100ish psi. I'm also using the Turn One 2.5 flow restrictor. I went ahead and bought a power steering analyzer so I can test pressures and flow rate. If I don't hit the right numbers, I'll grind the tip off the Camry valve to match the stock valve.. Saw someone on YouTube do that too. The Borgeson box is rated at 1100-1250 with a max of 1450. I bought one of sublimes reused pressure valves but it's only rated at 850..borgeson said they feel that's too low. Last thing I wanna deal with is blowing this box.
Alot of words for not alot accomplished... But here's some pics to look at. At least the interior is back together!
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OK, I couldn't stand the single gauge.. Added 2 more to balance things out haha. Engine and trans temp. All wired in and done.
Ran trans cooler lines (added bulkhead), steering cooler mount and lines mocked up, the last of the AC & PS lines mocked up and at the shop now getting crimped. And did some other misc adhd bouncing around..
Not much left on my list before a start..
Install AC PS lines.. Pull vacuum test
Add T fittjng to intake for pb booster & heat vacuum
Put on intake
Air intake and crankcase breather
Install mids & O2s
Install fuel tank / filter
Top off all fluids.. Antifreeze/Oil/Trans/PS
Good once over.. Bolts, wiring, lines erc
Crank it up!
The there the task of just putting things together.. Lights, grill etc.
Still need to get on finding/building a rear end and have driveshaft made. Looking like 8.8 is gonna be the way to go. Just need to find one.. The mods are easy enough.
Ran trans cooler lines (added bulkhead), steering cooler mount and lines mocked up, the last of the AC & PS lines mocked up and at the shop now getting crimped. And did some other misc adhd bouncing around..
Not much left on my list before a start..
Install AC PS lines.. Pull vacuum test
Add T fittjng to intake for pb booster & heat vacuum
Put on intake
Air intake and crankcase breather
Install mids & O2s
Install fuel tank / filter
Top off all fluids.. Antifreeze/Oil/Trans/PS
Good once over.. Bolts, wiring, lines erc
Crank it up!
The there the task of just putting things together.. Lights, grill etc.
Still need to get on finding/building a rear end and have driveshaft made. Looking like 8.8 is gonna be the way to go. Just need to find one.. The mods are easy enough.
Knocked out a little list of things this past weekend and started it up, Saturday afternoon. Fired up like it had been shut down the night before. Didn't let it run long due to a bad an6 fitting for the Trans oil cooler.. was leaking right at the 90 swivel joint at the bulkhead.. what I get for reusing old fittings. I also wasn't getting any throttle response but I believe that issue has been solved. There was some confusion with the harness builder (Sublime) and he's updated me with the correction (swap 2 wires at the bellcrank plug). So, I'll get some ducks in a row this week, order a few things and try again this weekend.
So, I spent Sunday tying up other loose ends.. reinvented the exhaust, installed o2s, tidying up wires and played a little drinking game along the way. Every time I couldn't find something.. I took a big drink! By the end of the day, I was pretty well hammered. I lose ALOT of ****! It's unexplainable and comical at times, that things literally disappear right out my hands.
I'll add a pic and a video soon. If you listen to start of the video, you can hear my Holley in tank pump, learning to play the clarinet! I was like "HUH?!"
Here we go..
So, I spent Sunday tying up other loose ends.. reinvented the exhaust, installed o2s, tidying up wires and played a little drinking game along the way. Every time I couldn't find something.. I took a big drink! By the end of the day, I was pretty well hammered. I lose ALOT of ****! It's unexplainable and comical at times, that things literally disappear right out my hands.
I'll add a pic and a video soon. If you listen to start of the video, you can hear my Holley in tank pump, learning to play the clarinet! I was like "HUH?!"
Here we go..
SWEET!!! I bet you were grinning from ear to ear!! I know I would be!!
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