1967 Match Race ~ 67' 'Hemi' Charger vs 67' 'GTX' 440

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1967 Street Match Race

1967 Dodge Charger '426 Street Hemi'
vs.
1967 Plymouth 'GTX' 440

If both equipped with '4-Speed Transmissions' both B-Body cars would be equipped
with the 'Dana-Rear'.

Add in the 'Special Region Zone Order' 4.10 Gears.

The 1967 Plymouth 'GTX' 440/375 HP ~ w/4-Speed......#3615 lbs. {Shipping Weight}

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On the 1967 Plymouth 'GTX' 440,

4-Speed "A-833 Manual Transmission"
4.10 Gears ~ 'Sure-Grip' {Special Region Zone Order}

In 'Stock Trim' w/4.10 Gears, a 4-Speed was capable of running ........ 13.60's @ 104 MPH

Not to be taken lightly.

In 1967, Classed in NHRA........ 'B/Stock' = {9.50 to 10.59 Wt/Hp}

At the opening of the 1967 NHRA Season, the B/Stock National Record.... 12.50 @ 113.17 MPH.

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Wouln't the Charger have a ~200lb weight penalty?

Since I was a kid, I have always heard that the 440 was the preferable street motor, Hemi for the strip.

There is a '67 440 GTX in my family (727/4.10 axle), basically stock...and it was always a mountain mover.
 
Couple un-answered questions....The Charger isn't equal, it is heavier with the Hemi under the hood, PLUS the fact that just the said "440" was no right given any specs. the 426 "street" Hemi says a lot more then the posted "440"....Comando 440? 440 6BBL? OR 440 Wedge? Whats the engine? The street Elephant says a bunch for that car........

My money (IF I had any) would be put on the Charger even with a weight penalty, and a heavier car, the motor makes up for it pretty quick!
 
1967 Dodge Charger '426 Street Hemi'

* 4-Speed
* Dana-Rear {w/special order 4.10 Gears}

A true beast of sheet-metal, as the Charger is {+250 lbs.} Heavier

1967 Dodge Charger '426 Street Hemi'........... #3870 lbs. {Shipping Weight}
....................................................................... #4105 lbs. {Curb Weight}

1967 Plymouth 'GTX' 440............................... #3615 lbs. {Shipping Weight}
...................................................................... #3754 lbs. {Curb Weight}
 
1967 Dodge Charger '426 Street Hemi'

A} The Clutch 'must' be 'feathered' coming off the line, otherwise you would shoot the "Driveshaft' out like an RPG {Rocket Propelled Grenade}.

B} A 2-Ton Mammoth, with an 'Elephant Engine'.



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All things equal, my money is on the charger being around half a second quicker. As much as i love the 440 they didn't have enough carb. A 6bbl and some weight trimming and it's a race.

I just read the posts by 69 again. I didn't realize the charger was that much heavier. In a lower hp/weight class. Still think the hemi has enough to run down the gtx but not by as wide a margin.
 
At the Drag Strip,

In 'stock form',

The 67' Charger '426 Street Hemi' with a 4-Speed and 4.10 Gears

Stock with 8.00" x 15" Cheater-Slicks, the Charger '426 Street Hemi' could hit 13.20's @ 107 MPH

But, keeping that 'Beast' in Tune and on the Street,,,,,,,,,,,,'YIKES'
 
Hi-Po Man,

The 1967 Dodge Charger '426 Street Hemi' was 'not' desired at the Drag Strip.

In 1967 Super/Stock, with its 'Bulk of #3870 lbs. {Shipping Weight} it was not
desirable for SS/C or SS/CA.

The 'lighter' 1963 and 1964 '426 Max-Wedge' cars ate them up, as well as the 1967
Chevrolet Camaro {396/375 HP}.

Unfortunately with the NHRA Horsepower 're-factoring', the 1967 Charger '426 Street Hemi'
could not run in 'Stock Class' of A/S or A/SA during 1967.

Standard Equipment.......... 7.75 x 14" Red-Streak Tires.............14 x 5.5 Rims
 
Having owned a 67 gtx with a 4 speed and 4.10 Dana. That's where my money is;) Best mopar I ever owned!
 
This is another one where tires could seriously affect the outcome.

If you could get a wide, sticky tire on that Charger, the weight would help it hook and launch.

Can't do that on the GTX.
 
YY1 said:
This is another one where tires could seriously affect the outcome.

If you could get a wide, sticky tire on that Charger, the weight would help it hook and launch.

Can't do that on the GTX.
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Correct 'YY',

Little Baloney Skins ...... 7.75 x 14" on 14" x 5.5" Rims.

A set of...... 8.00 x 15" 'Cheater Slicks'

All the difference in the World.

 
Traction would be the issue.
From what I have been told by the by guys who were there, the 440 may get you out of the gate, but when that Elephant got rolling that it would just drive around you.
I had a chance to ride in a 1967 HEMI Belvedere back in the mid 70's.
It was stock & kinda worn. This thing smoked like a freight train, but it was from bar ditch to bar ditch spinning the tires. What a handfull & what a great way to impress a 17 year old!
My money is on the HEMI.
 
Mike,

1967 > On the Drag Strip......... Too heavy for Super/Stock {SS/C or SS/CA}

And, NHRA would 'not' allow the car in 'Stock Class' {A/S or A/SA}.

In November 1966, Dodge Division had plans of building a 'special' 1967 Super/Stock Dodge Charger 'R/T'
for 1967.

But not with a '426 Hemi'. It called for a 'Dual-Quad' 440 to run in SS/D or SS/DA {8.60 to 9.49 Wt/Hp}.


For NASCAR, a different story....
 
MTmopars said:
The only 440 available in the 67 GTX. Super commando.
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WRONG

Virgil had a 67 GTX with a Factory HEMI

The only engine option in the GTX was a HEMI

The 440 six pack would outrun a Hemi on the street in street trim, a 4 bar car would have a hard time, the traction would be the biggest problem and as others have said the 440 would probably get the Hemi out of the hole but the Hemi would pass it on the top end.
 
Correct,

1967 Plymouth 'GTX'
* Standard Engine = 440/375 HP ~ '440 Super Commando'
* Optional Engine = 426/425 HP ~ 'Street Hemi'

1967 Dodge Charger
* Standard Engine = 318/230 HP
* Optional Engine = 383/270 HP
* Optional Engine = 383/325 HP ~ '383 Four Barrel'

1967 Dodge Charger R/T
* Standard Engine = 440/375 HP ~ '440 Magnum'
* Optional Engine = 426/425 HP ~ 'Street Hemi'
 
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