440 Cooling Question “Champion Rad”

[Skeeter007]

This has been touched on a zillion times but here’s another thread with the same question.

My 71 Scamp build (link below) is nearing the start up phase. Standing in the way is the rad. I’m ready to purchase and I looking to save a few bucks and have decided to go with Champion. I went to order the rad and the tech told me to go with a 26” and dual 12” fans. He told me I’d have to modify the car to get this in. I’m not opposed to doing that. This car came originally with a 198 according to the tag. It currently has a 225 in her. So I’m going to guess it has a small opening where the rad sits. I have no access to the car until May so going to measure it is a no go. Especially with the mountain of snow we got. Has anyone done this operations? Is this something that can be done fairly easily? Does anyone have a part number for me to look at? The engine is currently on the run stand waiting on a few small items and the rad order. I’d like to run the stand with the rad that’s going in the car. This car will definitely be over the 550hp mark. She’s a full solid roller with all the goodies money tried to buy. Lol For details check out the link.

It’s been a long and winding road but there’s the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel.

Merry Christmas

Slow build 71 Scamp 440

 

[RustyRatRod]

IMHO, there are plenty of radiators available that will cool that just find without cutting on the car. Also, I don't recommend getting their fans, as they will be absolutely minimalist fans to maximize their profit. If you just have to have electric, I'd go with one of the FlexAlite Black Magic fans that move as close to 4000CFM as you can get. There are also more affordable options such as some of the fans from a Ford Taurus, for example that can be made to work. Some of those really skin it back moving some air.

 

[Skeeter007]

IMHO, there are plenty of radiators available that will cool that just find without cutting on the car. Also, I don't recommend getting their fans, as they will be absolutely minimalist fans to maximize their profit. If you just have to have electric, I'd go with one of the FlexAlite Black Magic fans that move as close to 4000CFM as you can get. There are also more affordable options such as some of the fans from a Ford Taurus, for example that can be made to work. Some of those really skin it back moving some air.

Thanks for the reply. Do you have any link to the fans mentioned above? I’m almost certain I’m going electric. If I’m going to mix and match components I’m going to need to figure out shrouds and wiring. Was hoping for a drop in affordable package.

 

[RustyRatRod]

This is all the Black Magic fans Summit offers. You'll likely not find a drop in solution that actually works. Remember, you're putting a 440 in a slant 6 car. This is hot rodding.

 

[RustyRatRod]

I for the dang link. LOL Sorry.

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[Skeeter007]

This is all the Black Magic fans Summit offers. You'll likely not find a drop in solution that actually works. Remember, you're putting a 440 in a slant 6 car. This is hot rodding.

I’m looking at their website now.
The crappy thing about this, is trial and error is tuff up here in Canada. Everything is 35% more, everything takes weeks to get here. Shipping is hard especially if it needs to go back over and over again. Hence the drop in solution I’m seeking. Most of the threads I read end in “what was the outcome” one thread had his 440 up for sale months later.
I do have a set of dual electrics up in the parts attic but I don’t think they’ll do the job. Think they’re off a Pathfinder. Who know. Should look. Once upon a time I was going to use them to cool the slant.

 

[RustyRatRod]

I’m looking at their website now.
The crappy thing about this, is trial and error is tuff up here in Canada. Everything is 35% more, everything takes weeks to get here. Shipping is hard especially if it needs to go back over and over again. Hence the drop in solution I’m seeking. Most of the threads I read end in “what was the outcome” one thread had his 440 up for sale months later.
I do have a set of dual electrics up in the parts attic but I don’t think they’ll do the job. Think they’re off a Pathfinder. Who know. Should look. Once upon a time I was going to use them to cool the slant.

Oh GAWD. I didn't even notice that. Yall got it bad. We're all on the same hunk of dirt. It just doesn't make sense. I think it's all a big money grab.

 

[Skeeter007]

Oh GAWD. I didn't even notice that. Yall got it bad. We're all on the same hunk of dirt. It just doesn't make sense. I think it's all a big money grab.

I don’t doubt it. The big three love to hammer us with brokerage fees. If worst comes to worst I’ll have to get a package deal that will somewhat bolt up. Can’t be sending stuff back and forth. I have access to a shop for a few weeks in the spring to jam all this stuff in. So it needs to be ready and go without a hitch. Hahhahahahahaha <———— hahhahahahhaha

I’ll get one reorder attempt before I’m evicted

 

[RustyRatRod]

I don’t doubt it. The big three love to hammer us with brokerage fees. If worst comes to worst I’ll have to get a package deal that will somewhat bolt up. Can’t be sending stuff back and forth. I have access to a shop for a few weeks in the spring to jam all this stuff in. So it needs to be ready and go without a hitch. Hahhahahahahaha <———— hahhahahahhaha

I’ll get one reorder attempt before I’m evicted

I would ask what the CFM rating on their fan package is. I'm sure it's low. Maybe they offer an upgrade that will be a bolt on. You're gonna need 4K CFM with a 440, IMO.

 

[Dana67Dart]

Your rad support opening would be sized for a 22" rad. The factory used a 22" rad to cool the 383 GTS's

3 core copper brass and a fixed 7 blade fan.

IMHO

If you match the OEM fan, pulleys, water pump and factory style copper brass rad you can't go wrong .

Lastly, while electric fans can and do work.

Search here on FABO for cooling problems. 98% start with "my aluminum radiator and high flow water pump"

 

[Skeeter007]

Your rad support opening would be sized for a 22" rad. The factory used a 22" rad to cool the 383 GTS's

3 core copper brass and a fixed 7 blade fan.

IMHO

If you match the OEM fan, pulleys, water pump and factory style copper brass rad you can't go wrong .

Thanks for the advice. I’m planning on aluminum and electric fans. I was hoping the Champion would do that.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Your rad support opening would be sized for a 22" rad. The factory used a 22" rad to cool the 383 GTS's

3 core copper brass and a fixed 7 blade fan.

IMHO

If you match the OEM fan, pulleys, water pump and factory style copper brass rad you can't go wrong .

Lastly, while electric fans can and do work.

Search here on FABO for cooling problems. 98% start with "my aluminum radiator and high flow water pump"

I don't disagree, but he seemed intent on an electric fan(s) so I didn't see the need to argue. There are so many, many, MANY, MANY over heating stories on here involving electric fans you'd figure people would get a clue. That said, I think most of them are probably inadequate from people trying to buy bargain basement deals.