69 Dart Custom Slant Six carb help needed!

[Wheelsntires]

Being new to doing anything with slants except replacing them with big blocks LOL, I'm beginning a resto and want to start with getting it running reliably for the summer until car/drivetrain all gets torn down for sheetmetal/paint. Id like to rebuild the carb and need to know how to ID it, as well as find out if its the original carb. Here's a pic of the Holley that came with the car. Quick google type searches didnt help with the numbers, so FABO folks, what have I got, and is it correct for the car?? If not, what is??

 

[Wheelsntires]

Found the Holley list but...ugh...
I assume its a 1920 carb but wonder about getting correct.kit for it just going by the 1920...???

 

[RustyRatRod]

It's a 1920. None of those numbers really identify it. It had a metal tag originally that's been misplaced evidently.

 

[pishta]

1920 takes a few different kits
The fuel height changed over the years to lean out the carb with a lower float level

Application Carburetor LIST Number
American Motors 1965-64 199″ 3.2L, 232″ 3.8L Chrysler 225″ Ind. Dodge 1973-60 170″ 2.8L, 198″ 3.2L, 225″ 3.7L (Inc Repl Carbs) Dodge Truck 1971-65 170″ 2.8L, 198″ 3.2L, 225″ 3.7L Plymouth 1973-60 170″ 2.8L, 198″ 3.2L, 225″ 3.7L (Inc Canada) (Inc Repl Carbs)
2136, 2303, 2416, 2417, 2418, 2419, 2500, 2533, 2534, 2535, 2536, 2537, 2765, 2766, 2767, 2768, 2769, 2770, 2885, 2886, 2887, 2888, 2889, 2890, 2918, 2997, 2998, 2999, 3053, 3054, 3057, 3058, 3059, 3060, 3152, 3225, 3226, 3227, 3228, 3229, 3271, 3272, 3273, 3274, 3275, 3276, 3277, 3278, 3279, 3280, 3281, 3282, 3397, 3398, 3399, 3446, 3671, 3672, 3673, 3674, 3919, 3920, 3921, 3922, 3924, 3982, 3983, 3984, 3985, 4012, 4013, 4351, 4352, 4353, 4354, 4355, 4356, 4357, 4358, 4359, 4361, 4362, 4363, 4414, 4416, 4641, 4642, 4655, 4656, 4657, 4658, 4659, 4712, 4750, 4751, 4755, 4756, 6159, 6202, 6260, 6482, 6483, 6876, 7249, 7250, 7583, 7584, 7587, 7747, 8213, 8311, 8388, 8400, 8401, 8404

Holley 1920 Carburetor Repair Kit w/Flat Shaft K458

Holley 1920 Carburetor Rebuild Kit K458

 

[slantsixdan]

The 6260 was a service replacement carburetor offered by Holley for '70-'72 198 and 225 engines. That number is carb's only ID number; there was no metal tag with additional numbers or info (Carter carbs had their ID number on such a tag).

Carburetor operation and repair manuals and links to training movies and carb repair/modification threads are posted here for free download.

 

[Wheelsntires]

The 6260 was a service replacement carburetor offered by Holley for '68-'72 198 and 225 engines. That number is carb's only ID number; there was no metal tag with additional numbers or info (Carter carbs had their ID number on such a tag).

Carburetor operation and repair manuals and links to training movies and carb repair/modification threads are posted here for free download.

Thanks...much appreciated!!! But I guess that means its not the original carb then(??) If not, how would I ascertain what the correct number carb would be?? Could it have been any one of a few #s, in which case the date code would be more important??

 

[Killer6]

Found the Holley list but...ugh...
I assume its a 1920 carb but wonder about getting correct.kit for it just going by the 1920...???View attachment 1715895168

That's it, Pish & SSD have it, be aware that the mini-metering/economizer block has a rep for being sometimes difficult to impossible to get clean/function correctly.

 

[Wheelsntires]

1920 takes a few different kits
The fuel height changed over the years to lean out the carb with a lower float level

Application Carburetor LIST Number
American Motors 1965-64 199″ 3.2L, 232″ 3.8L Chrysler 225″ Ind. Dodge 1973-60 170″ 2.8L, 198″ 3.2L, 225″ 3.7L (Inc Repl Carbs) Dodge Truck 1971-65 170″ 2.8L, 198″ 3.2L, 225″ 3.7L Plymouth 1973-60 170″ 2.8L, 198″ 3.2L, 225″ 3.7L (Inc Canada) (Inc Repl Carbs)
2136, 2303, 2416, 2417, 2418, 2419, 2500, 2533, 2534, 2535, 2536, 2537, 2765, 2766, 2767, 2768, 2769, 2770, 2885, 2886, 2887, 2888, 2889, 2890, 2918, 2997, 2998, 2999, 3053, 3054, 3057, 3058, 3059, 3060, 3152, 3225, 3226, 3227, 3228, 3229, 3271, 3272, 3273, 3274, 3275, 3276, 3277, 3278, 3279, 3280, 3281, 3282, 3397, 3398, 3399, 3446, 3671, 3672, 3673, 3674, 3919, 3920, 3921, 3922, 3924, 3982, 3983, 3984, 3985, 4012, 4013, 4351, 4352, 4353, 4354, 4355, 4356, 4357, 4358, 4359, 4361, 4362, 4363, 4414, 4416, 4641, 4642, 4655, 4656, 4657, 4658, 4659, 4712, 4750, 4751, 4755, 4756, 6159, 6202, 6260, 6482, 6483, 6876, 7249, 7250, 7583, 7584, 7587, 7747, 8213, 8311, 8388, 8400, 8401, 8404

Holley 1920 Carburetor Repair Kit w/Flat Shaft K458

Holley 1920 Carburetor Rebuild Kit K458

Thanks for this...much appreciated!!

 

[Killer6]

Thanks...much appreciated!!! But I guess that means its not the original carb then(??) If not, how would I ascertain what the correct number carb would be?? Could it have been any one of a few #s, in which case the date code would be more important??

I may have a book with that #, SSD may beat Me to it tho', lol!

 

[Wheelsntires]

That's it, Pish & SSD have it, be aware that the mini-metering/economizer block has a rep for being sometimes difficult to impossible to get clean/function correctly.

Sounds like one of those reasons that normally Im a "Carter Guy"!! Thanks for the heads up!!

 

[Wheelsntires]

I may have a book with that #, SSD may beat Me to it tho', lol!

Thatd be great. Since this car went from a restomod project with 5.7 Hemi to a straight resto wjen I found it to be a V1H Floral Top car, Im going to have to start looking at numbers n dates for everything... This is good of a place as any...!!!

 

[Killer6]

There are (2) lists for '69 Darts;
R4161A -Std. trans
R4162A -Auto trans
There are an additional (3) for '69 Valiants & Barracudas;
R4163A-64A-65A

 

[Killer6]

Thatd be great. Since this car went from a restomod project with 5.7 Hemi to a straight resto wjen I found it to be a V1H Floral Top car, Im going to have to start looking at numbers n dates for everything... This is good of a place as any...!!!

Also of note, the one-year only anti-icing system, which requires a special exhaust manny. Check and see zmarty27 's thread next to Yours.

 

[Wheelsntires]

There are (2) lists for '69 Darts;
R4161A -Std. trans
R4162A -Auto trans
There are an additional (3) for '69 Valiants & Barracudas;
R4163A-64A-65A

Thanks!!! Really appreciate the time spent finding this!!!
Now to just find one to replace my 'service replacement'!! Ill rebuild the current one and start looking!!

 

[Wheelsntires]

Also of note, the one-year only anti-icing system, which requires a special exhaust manny. Check and see zmarty27 's thread next to Yours.

Will do- all this is brand new to me, but im strangely excited about it. Have always had respect for the /6, but like I said before- until now, they were just in the way of the inbound big block.

 

[RustyRatRod]

The 6260 was a service replacement carburetor offered by Holley for '68-'72 198 and 225 engines. That number is carb's only ID number; there was no metal tag with additional numbers or info (Carter carbs had their ID number on such a tag).

Carburetor operation and repair manuals and links to training movies and carb repair/modification threads are posted here for free download.

Thanks for straightening me out, Dan!

 

[pishta]

Start one up cold and listen to it purr with one pump to set the choke.....I had just installed this, filled the bowl through the vent tube and set the choke. One hit of the starter and it fired right up with no throttle, idled like a top. (2nd start was recorded as my camera died but the first was even faster than the 2nd)

 

[RustyRatRod]

The little motors just want to run.

 

[Wheelsntires]

Start one up cold and listen to it purr with one pump to set the choke.....I had just installed this, filled the bowl through the vent tube and set the choke. One hit of the starter and it fired right up with no throttle, idled like a top. (2nd start was recorded as my camera died but the first was even faster than the 2nd)

https://youtube.com/shorts/5Ed4Xq9GGDY?feature=share
Mine firing for first time in 15+years.
Just took fresh points, cap rotor n plugs!!

 

[pishta]

and people say you gotta tear down a motor that was sitting for 15 years before you start it......HA! Just prime and fire! @vicegripgarage

If it don't run, your gonna tear it down anyway......

 

[Wheelsntires]

and people say you gotta tear down a motor that was sitting for 15 years before you start it......HA! Just prime and fire! @vicegripgarage

If it don't run, your gonna tear it down anyway......

Right??? Why not shoot for best case n see what happens??? After the V1H revelation, itll get a full go thru but...after replacing fuel tank, I even took it for a 300 yard drive...(in a closed lot) Brakes almost non-existent, pedaling it like crazy to keep it running, the noise of trim and parts in the trunk rattling around almost deafening, but weeks later, my face still hurts from the severe smiling!!!

 

[slantsixdan]

Thanks...much appreciated!!! But I guess that means its not the original carb then

Correct. That's just as well; the '69s had a throttle plate anti-ice system that requires a special exhaust manifold and makes the carb boil like a teakettle. The system is also unnecessary with today's gasolines. If you still had the '69 carb, you'd wind up doing extra work to bypass this system. This what you have is not near the top of my list of favourite Slant-6 carburetors, but you do have it, and if it's in basically sound condition and you're not planning on upgrades (2bbl, etc), then it's a fine starting point.

how would I ascertain what the correct number carb would be?

Do you have a 170 or 225 engine? Automatic or manual transmission?

Could it have been any one of a few #s, in which case the date code would be more important??

Are you trying to do a 100-point back-to-factory restoration, or is driveability/function at the top of your list?

 

[Wheelsntires]

Correct. That's just as well; the '69s had a throttle plate anti-ice system that requires a special exhaust manifold and makes the carb boil like a teakettle. The system is also unnecessary with today's gasolines. If you still had the '69 carb, you'd wind up doing extra work to bypass this system. This what you have is not near the top of my list of favourite Slant-6 carburetors, but you do have it, and if it's in basically sound condition and you're not planning on upgrades (2bbl, etc), then it's a fine starting point.



Do you have a 170 or 225 engine? Automatic or manual transmission?



Are you trying to do a 100-point back-to-factory restoration, or is driveability/function at the top of your list?

Its the 225/904. Im going to build/use whats there for now, but if at some point I can find the correct carb, Id like to go with that. Not sure if the anti-icing manifold is present still yet. Ive been out of the correct resto game for decades, but finding out that this is a V1H car makes me feel that doing anything other than a 100 point (ok maybe 97 point LOL) resto is what it deserves, so im going to head in that direction with it...

 

[slantsixdan]

In your shoes I'd use up some of those three fudge points between 97 and 100 to pick a better carburetor than a Holley 1920. My top pick would be the '63-only Stromberg (Bendix) WA3, that's this one (the linked carb needs a replacement for the missing welch plug—not a big deal). Second preference would be a carefully-chosen Carter BBS.

 

[Wheelsntires]

In your shoes I'd use up some of those three fudge points between 97 and 100 to pick a better carburetor than a Holley 1920. My top pick would be the '63-only Stromberg (Bendix) WA3, that's this one (the linked carb needs a replacement for the missing welch plug—not a big deal). Second preference would be a carefully-chosen Carter BBS.

A good thought... Im pretty comfy with the Carters, have had a lot of those over the years!!