8 3/4 Auburn rebuild

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JKrebs

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I am upgrading my open rear to sure grip. I have a 741 pig with an Auburn unit. I want to check and make sure that the unit is OK before I go through with new bearings and gears. However I can not find any information on how to evaluate the condition of an Auburn unit. Any ideas would be great!
 
In Chrysler speak, we just mostly call the cone types;cone type, and the clutch types;trac-locs.
Well then if its an oem SG, heres the skinny; Anchor one side, put it in Neutral, jack up the otherside and take off the wheel.Make a tool to fit a torque wrench at the axle axis.Put an extension on it to get the wrench out of the wheelhouse. Support the extension near the wrench end with a block. Now put the wrench at about2oclock relative to the groundplain. Tug on it.Ignore the breakaway torque. Concentrate on the turning torque.Repeat at least 3 times. Average out the results.
Over 130# is very tight and will squawk the inside tire on turns.
Under 80#, it will/ or may,want to, pegleg on spit-mu surfaces;That is oneside on a crap-traction surface.
The best results for me have been between 100 and 120ish.
This assumes the fluid is fresh and the SG additive is in there at the recommended ratio, and that the homogenized fluid is in the clutches.
I like to run 130# turning torque in the cone types.
I like to run a little less in the trac-locs, to allow open-type performance on turns, and spool type, when the cross-pins do their job.
If you dont want to, or cant go through the rig-ma-role of the above, then just put a bar between two non-adjacent studs at about the 3oclock position with about 18 to 20 inches of bar overhanging the axle axis,and push down.It should take a lot of body-weight to break it loose, then level off around 80/ 90# of body-weight to keep it moving. This is not easy to do.
But heres the last tip. With a front wheel chocked,the trans in neutral,and one side
jacked up, but with wheel still mounted;Attempt to rotate that wheel,any way you can,but with no bars or helps of any kind. It should be very very difficult to initiate rotation.
There you have it.If the guts need work, there is a way to save them.
 
Thanks AJ, Gotcha on the verbiage. the above gives me several options after the unit is installed. I currently have it disassembled on the bench and was looking for a possible way to inspect the unit before i got through the effort of the rebuild. This is my first complete 8 3/4 rebuild and i want to learn it right the first time. The history of the unit is unknown but the gears and bearings shown little wear so i'm assuming the unit is the same but i was hoping to be able to confirm this in some way. If there is no way to confirm without installing I will rebuild and take my chances. Thanks again, Joe
 
Well hey, if its out and on the bench; this is how I do it.
First I disassemble the case, and prove that there is adequate clearance between the cones and the case.I am looking for .050 .I do this by laying a short length of solder down in the case. Then I drop the cone down on it. Then I take my 2.5pounder and a big brass drift, and whack the cone down onto the solder a few times. When the cone ceases to rock, I assume it is bottomed. I pull the cone and measure the now-squashed solder. To get the clearance, the bottom of the cone needs to be machined off on a lathe.
But if the bottom of the cone is worn all shiney, then it is already too worn to test, so just lathe about .030 off it and then do the solder test.
The .050 number, is an arbitrary number. I chose this number because it will provide many more years of service. You could probably get away with less. I wouldnt go any less than .030.
So once thats done, we have to restore the spring preload. And this is how I do that;
I clamp an axle vertically in the benchvise and drop the case over it to engage the splineS. Then I take my home-made tool (a stub-axle about 10 inches long with a big nut welded on the end ), and drop it in the otherside. Then I just grab the torquewrench, and shoot for 110 to 130 turning torque.You may not have such a tool. What I would do if I didnt have a tool, is this; I would reclamp that first axle, horizontally in the benchvise, with enough stub sticking out over the table, to slide the case on to.Then I would take the 2nd axle and insert it into the remaining side, and bury it in there all the way.Then I would put some nuts on two non-adjacent studs to protect the threads. I would put a long bar on those two protected studs, and pretend its a torquewrench.
If the turning torque is too low, I insert shims between the side-gears and their cones, then retest.My shims are sized for the 8.75. You will have to get friendly with the parts guy to find something that will work in the 7.25er.Unless somebody comes along and chimes in.
If the turning torque gets to be too high the shims need to be swapped for thinner ones.
Sometimes the spiders are worn or the case behind the spiders is worn, allowing the side gears to come in too near to the spider tooth inside tips. You have to watch for this. If that happens ,remove the previously installed shims and double up the spider washers first,and retest the turning torque.
When you think you are finished, disassemble the case halves and pull out the springs. Reassemble the case without the springs, but with all the washers still in it. Now spin a sidegear and make sure nothing binds in there. Next,push a spider up/out towards the case, and check that the sidegears are properly meshed with it, running in the center of the worn areas.Repeat with the other one. And finally check the backlashes between all the gears.There needs to be as little as possible without actually binding. Its not rocket science, but its important that they are all close to the same, so that when the power comes through them, that not one pinion is more heavily loaded than any other. Given time and miles it will even out, but try and get them reasonably matched.Sometimes a sidegear washer, or a pinion washer will have to be swapped out for another, to balance the backlashes out.
And finally reoil it,reassemble the springs back into it, and retest the turning torque.
Congratulations you are done. Now go out there lay down stripeS.

PS dont forget;All the guts have to be lubed with the correct mixture of gear oil and the SG additive, prior to measuring the turning torque.
Thats how I do it.
 
If you have any mopar friends,ask around to see if anyone has any axles laying around that they don't want. Cut the axles about 10'' overall length on the spline side. I take one axle stub and grind two flats into the stub so you can mount it in a heavy duty vise.Take the carrier(if it's the complete center section, some guys call it the pig)and slide it down over the splines. With the other axle stub you can fit and weld a old 1/2'' or 3/4''drive socket on to the stub.Then you can bench test the break-away and turning torque.OR grind the stub with two flats and use a large pipe wrench and see how or if it turns.That's my bench test set-up,,just a thought.
 
Thanks for your detailed info. I believe you have given me what i need. One question. If i find i have good clearance. Say between .050 and .030. Is there any need to check the preload on the springs? Or is checking the preload just good practice under any rebuild condition? I do understand that checking that all the gears are riding together properly is i must.
 
There is a thread on this site, likely in this same section by Rusty Rat Rod with pictures on how to rebuild a cone sure grip. Posted a few months back. Have a look using the lsearch function.
 

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