a 904 valve body

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joshua dewitt

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can you use a valve body from a a904 no lock up in a a999 lock up transmission? I know there will be no lock up function... or can I use a manual shift valve body in a a999 transmission ?... I am having troubles going into gear, bands are adjusted to specs. and raised throttle and gets into gear, and then goes into gear, and runs fine, shifts way to early, but trying to figure it out. I believe it is in the valve body..... now I was told transmission had a mild shift kit I it, but now I wonder..... fluid new,,,, maybe I have a pressure issue? I wanted the lock up for the freeway, but about to **** can it, and take the original 1973 a904 and go though it and add a mild stall converter... but will rev higher, and will cost more. but I know will work... any thoughts form mopar trans specialist? never done a mopar a904 before... lots of 4l60e, and 6l80/6l90e's I know ......gm....
 
I think the vb's are the same. The lock up is in the converter and input shaft and you can't use a non lock up converter on a lock up trans because the splines are different.
 
Little unclear as to what you are asking... maybe a little background might help?

The 999 was a 'heavy duty' 904 found behind 360 equipped cars and trucks. The only difference between a garden-variety 904 and a 998/999 is the amount of clutches in the drums. After 1978, the 999 was a 'lockup trans' in which the lockup function was controlled hydraulically. People confuse lockup for overdrive but the 999 is the same as any other Torqueflite with a 1:1 high gear, maybe a few hundred rpm difference at cruise. Lockup basically just keeps the converter from slipping.

As fr as identifying what you have, Sedanman is correct in that the input shaft on a lockup is different than non - the non is splined all the way to the tip. The front pumps are different, that is for sure. Unfortunately, there were enough variations over the years that it can be hard to mix and match parts and get what you want. The PK # on the driver's side pan rail will help identify the unit though the only real way to know what's inside is to open it up and determine how many clutches are in the drums. Externally they all look the same from the '60s-'80s.

As for the non-lockup VB in a lockup trans - it would probably work on some level but there may be some things that don't match up. If that's what you have going on now, then you know the answer is no. I believe there are some differences between non lockup and lockup valve bodies but don't quote me on that. Again, lockup was controlled by the hydraulic system and was related to road speed/load so there would almost have to be some differences in the valve body for the lockup function to work.

A manual valve body will work as long as it's for the correct application. I have a factory non lockup 999 with a an older Turbo Action forward manual valve body, works great. If you are looking to buy a manual valve body, then it would help to know what trans you have. Again, unless you built it yourself, the only way to know if you have an A999 is to take it apart.

If you don't want to deal with any of that jive, just use the early 904 and be done with it. They respond to modifications just like any other transmission, build it however you want. Again, all Torqueflites have a 1:1 high gear so your highway rpms will be about the same regardless of which unit you have. If you are using a manual valve body, lockup is pretty much out the equation anyway.
 
I just bought an A999 trans out of a 85 318 van
 

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I knew of the input, etc.. I was told it was either a 1978ish a998/ or a999 with hydraulic lock up. and suposivily has a mild shift kit in it, and a hemi 5:1 key down. but its total crap... I plan on building the a904 I have now. in the storage shed... worked but slips. any way manual forward valve body sound like fun, I have a Hurst pro matic 2 full ratchet up and down shifter in it already. just wandering worth it but I bet it makes driving fun...
 
Rob the low gear set drum from the a999 and put it in the 904. It has 5 clutches instead of 4.
 
Rob the low gear set drum from the a999 and put it in the 904. It has 5 clutches instead of 4.

Be aware that you can't just put the 5 clutch drum in the 904, the front pump is TOTALLY different. A 5 clutch drum will not work with the regular 904 pump. The 5 clutch drum front pump (lockup or not) has a beveled area on the back of the pump to accommodate the larger drum and the sealing rings are in a different spot. I believe the input shafts have the sealing rings in a different spot as well. You really can't swap hard parts between lockup and non-lockup.

The only thing that can interchange easily between the units is the gear sets. i.e.; if you wanted to run a low gear set from a '80-up trans in an earlier 904. Only caveat to that is you need to grab the whole gear set - sun gear, sun shell, planetaries, thrust washers etc. The low gear set sun shell has a indentation on the bottom and the sun gear is splined differently - those parts do not interchange with the regular 904 gears.

Have fun.
 
If it shifts too early, and
the KD mechanism is correct, and adjusted correctly, and
your VB has not been modified to be a full-manual;then
you have a governor problem.
This is an easy fix. Just install the hi-rpm weight set, available from A&A Transmissions. A couple of hours and you will be smiling!
 
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