Air compressor minumum.

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Dart_Guy

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So I tried rattle canning some interior parts and it looks bad. For some reason it kep spitting paint drops on the part and I want a nice finish.

So I am going to take the leap into trying to learn how to paint. I figured the biggest cost is the air compressor to get started.
I learned a lot from this thread http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=39997
but the air compressor question is still vauge to me. Memike mentioned 5 HP 60 Gallon.

So my question is, what is the bare minumum air compressor to paint with. Found this one at Home depot
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100083906
But it is only 3.2 HP

Found this at Harbor Frieght
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92504
But it is only 29 gallon. And I hear bad things about Harbor freight quality.

Plus both of these take 220 which means I need to run some new wire at the house.

Is there any good enough that won't break the bank and I won't have to run wire?

Thanks.
 
I, too, got fed-up using spray cans and 7 years ago I bit the bullet and bought a 6hp/33gallon Craftsman compressor. Since then...I've never looked back.

Recently, Sears started rating their compressors differently and I believe mine was re-rated at 1.6hp. I think I paid about $250 and I added a 3 year warranty that tacked an additional $50. All I could tell you is...I've put that compressor through the wringer and somehow it keeps on ticking. I haven't painted a car with it but man, the parts I've painted with it have come out real sweet! :thumbrig:

One more thing...when shopping, look at the compressor's SCFM rating. The label on my compressor says it's rated at 8.6 SCFM @ 40 psi and 6.4 SCFM @ 90 psi.

Here's a link to the compressor that I believe superceded mine:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00916763000P?

The first time you paint with a spray gun you'll wonder why you didn't take the leap sooner. Good luck!

One last thing...if you'd like to learn more about painting then you owe it to yourself to visit the following forum:

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/


Click on: Body - Exterior which covers all paint, body, and exterior questions.

These guys know their painting as well as the members of this forum know their A-bodys. :notworth:
 
Thanks.

I was warned that smaller compressor work fine, but for larger jobs you find yourself waiting for it to charge back up... I like Craftsmen stuff so I will look a little harder at what your recommending.

I will also check out that forum. It is the second time I was referred to it. I learned a ton from this forum, I could always stand to learn even more...
 
Here's something I found on spraygunworld.com

SPRAYGUNWORLD.COM​

CFM QUESTIONS

If you have a small compressor (smaller than 5-6 HP and a 30 gallon tank - less than 11cfm), we have a few recommendations:

Many professional HVLP guns require around 9-15 cfm. But Don't worry, many Serious Hobbyists and woodworkers have small compressors. Many guns are rated to run on a 20-30 gallon/5-6HP compressor which run around $260 at Sears. We also have options for you if you only have a 1HP or 2HP Compressors or compressors rated below 6cfm@40psi.

How BIG a compressor do you need?

Most air tool manufacturers will tell you how much air each tool needs and at what pressure it needs it. The quantity of required air is usually expressed in units called "CFM", "SCFM", or "ASCFM" (Cubic Feet per Minute). Next, look at the compressor's specs. Most compressors give you two numbers the "Displacement CFM" which is the the raw pump power and also something called "free air @ some psi" or "delivered air" or "SCFM @ psi" which is the number we are interested in. It should look something like this "7.6 CFM @ 40 PSI". Paint guns usually operate at very low pressures but require a high volume of air at that lower pressure ("HVLP" means "High Volume, Low Pressure"). So if you're painting, check the compressor's actual air output ("free air" or "delivered air") @ 40 PSI.

*If you only have a rating @90 psi no problem you should be able to add between 1 & 2 cfm as you drop down to 40psi depending on how good your motor is. Generally name brands have better motors, but this is not always the case.

Can I just look at the PSI & HP rating on the compressor and know the CFM?

Not really, The PSI is the maximum pressure your tank can hold. This varies by manufacture. Since most guns use about 30-40psi, it is irrelavant if you tank can hold 100psi or 200psi as you will only need 30-40psi to spray. Also HP is not as relevant today, because many consumer grade compressors are using what we call "exploding or RED line" HP ratings. The HP rating as your compressor red lines and explodes is not important to you. In other words, HP ratings today are very inflated numbers. This compares with older compressors, that have true HP ratings. What is a true HP rating? Well 1 HP should be able to produce about 3.5 CFM. A true 5 HP compressor should be able to produce about 15-18 CFM. Have you been fooled by your HP rating? Don't feel bad, most compressors today are not true HP ratings.

Does this mean I can't use a professional gun without a huge compressor!!!
No, No, No! It simply means that you can't run your spray gun continuously nonstop. Most of our guns rated at 7-10 CFM can be operated with satisfaction on a 2-5HP single stage compressor rated at 6.8 @ 40. Guns rated at 9-12CFM can be operated with satisfaction on a 5-6HP single stage compressor rated at 8.6 @ 40. If you have a compressor rated below 6.8@40, we have a special selection of professional low air guns and mini guns which operate on as little as 1HP.

How about a compressor rated at 8.6 @ 40 and a 20 gallon tank?
Unless I were doing production work I don't feel you need an upgrade. You can spray an Astro Pneumatic Gun for example, rated at 10cfm at 40psi and it works just fine to spray four interior six panel doors one right after the other. By the time the compressor needs to catch up I need to give my arm a brake anyway. Or I need to refill the cup. Once you use a professional gun like the Astro Pneumatic, I'm sure you will like it as much as everyone else."

If my compressor is small are there any options for me?

Yes, Yes, Yes! Certainly! Compressors are simply tanks with motors on them to compress the air. You can always add anther spare tank to get more holding capacity that can be connected and disconnected when needed. You can also chain compressors together with a simple T fitting. Compressors are sold for as little as $38.00 for 4cfm@40 at your local hobby store and you can simply add such a compressor to your existing setup. (i.e. stick them together). This is another way to avoid a 220V outlet which many large compressor take. You can run an extension cord from another socket or fuse and chain these units together.

So why not buy a spray gun with a lower CFM rating to match my compressor?

Simply put, it is the air the breaks up your paint. Remember, professionals use about 10-15CFM to break up their paint and get the best atomization. We focus on professional guns to be used by the most particular professionals and serious hobbyists. An analogy: Low CFM guns on the market are like 4 cylinder cars. We focus on 8 cylinder professional models. For Low CFM Guns, you need to have superb engineering and precise manufacturing to get paint break up power in a "4 cylinder car" as compared to the breakup power in our "8 cylinder models", and that usually means you're paying more money for less performance or you are buying a very lousy gun with poor performance, orange peel and the like. Please, do not opt for an inexpensive low CFM guns, you will not get the fine atomization desired by a professional painter.

So am I out of luck?
No, we often encourage you to get a good size compressor, but at SprayGunWorld, we have searched far and wide for the finest low CFM guns on the market. We have created a low CFM gun selection for those who have small compressors. In our search, we have looked for high quality, mostly USA made options. Our offerings are limited to what we consider the finest low air guns on the market with - all with precision manufacturing. Please consider them "6 cylinder models".

If I am getting a compressor, what should I buy?

If you are purchasing a compressor you should always get the most CFM and the Highest PSI rating you can afford. But realistically, we recommend as a good starting point a 5-6HP compressor 8.6 CFM @ 40PSI. An example is the craftsman 6HP that runs for around $260 at Sears or a similar unit at Home Depot of 7.2 CFM@40PSI and the like.

Oil, Oiless?

The cylinders in a compressor generate a lot of heat. Some of this heat is caused by the compression of the air itself, but a lot more would be created if the piston caused too much friction against the walls of the cylinder on every stroke. There are two solutions currently used by compressor manufacturers: lubricate the pistons with oil (the way your car handles the same problem) - or line the cylinders with something very slippery (like Teflon). So-called "Oil-Less" compressors use solution number two. It's cheaper to manufacture a pump if you don't have to worry about circulating a lubricant (and giving the user a place to drain it and add more, etc.). So the primary advantage of the "Oil-Less" design is money. Advantage number two is you don't have to worry about checking the oil level - ever! But without oil to circulate and help draw away the heat, "Oil-Less" pumps will eventually get a lot hotter than lubricated pumps. Also the slippery lining will eventually wear away and you'll need to get the pump rebuilt. So the cheaper compressor will work fine for light-use applications. And if you don't use it a lot, it may well be all you'll ever need. But for day-in, day-out professional use, remember that there aren't many cars on the road with Teflon cylinders.
 
since you don't have one and plan on painting parts it will not be continuous,

but if you buy a small one and get the painting bug and want to paint you whole car,you might want to buy a 5 hp with 60 gallon tank making the needed cfm, so you have the compressor needed in the future

to run 220 shouldn't be a big deal if you have 2 spaces in your panel box or could put in a double up breaker for some 110 to free up spaces for the 220

good luck and have fun
 
Well that is a lot of good information. I am going on vacation to see my family in PA this week, but when I get back i will doing some shopping.

Not sure if I will get the painting bug or not... i kind of hope I do, because I will save some money. But I also want my car to look good, so I may prefer have a pro do it. My problem right now is my garage is pretty small. If I end up painting my whole car I will have to use someone elses garage.

I'll probably end up spending some extra cash for the bigger compressor just in case... But if I could get away with a smaller one I would for sure.

Thanks for the great input!
 
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