Another Steering Column Issue - looking for input!

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Demonx2

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Have a 72 Demon - was originally a 318 floor shift car but was a drag car most all of its life. Yesterday I was having a conversation with my 72 Demon and his headers, steering column, mini-starter, manual steering box, pitman arm, and drag link. Bought this car about a year ago as a roller and been working to make it a street/strip car. Well, you know how those conversations go...pretty soon there was a heated debate about who gets to occupy what space, who gets to go in first, who goes second, etc, etc. Then we had the trials and the redo's on the order of getting installed. Then Mr BFH got involved with the headers and...you get the picture. I'm sure many of you have had this same conversation!

FINALLY, with most parts happy, Mr Drag Link was installed and cycled through the range of steering only to start a new argument when one of the grease fittings got involved with Mr Header. Apparently Mr BFH did not finish his work with Mr Headers. The steering wheel got some resistance trying to solve the argument when a "pop" sound occurred followed by that sound none of us like to hear of a piece of something that lost its argument falling to the ground.
I cannot guarantee that the column is the original although I have no reason to believe it is not. I've read through many of the steering column threads on here and don't see anything quite like I see on this one so I'm asking for expertise as I see many of you have done some serious column restorations.

Here's the column:
Steering_Column3.jpg
Steering_Column2.jpg

You can see the spring wrapped around the column. Just below the spring is some type of bearing retainer that contains ball bearings in it (just like some other threads have mentioned do exist!). If you pull up on the spring, it will slide up the shaft (there is nothing holding it in place). Then you can partially pull up on the little bearing retainer but there is a step in the shaft preventing it from continuing to slide up the shaft. HOWEVER, here is the fallen part (piece of a part?) that I found when the steering was being turned:
Steering_Column4.jpg


I'm not 100% sure where it came from but believe it may be from the column. Does anyone know what this part is? It is a larger diameter steel compared to the small spring wrapped around the column. It's ID looks to be just under 1" - can't tell if it was a complete circular ring or ?? Could it be some type of retainer that holds the spring shown above?
Not sure on next steps - maybe reinstall this loose piece...but I don't see any "lip" where it would be held to hold the spring against the bearing. Disassemble entire column, remove ball bearing/spring and add the set-screw bearing holder shown in other threads?

Thx for the input!!
 
Hello Demonx2.
Looks like the retainer came off the shaft and thus the spring is now loose on the shaft. There is a bearing in the end of the column that the spring sits on. I am guessing the part of the bearing is now stuffed up in the column and or most of it fell apart (ball bearings). I think I have some more pix of the assembly taken apart.. I can look and get back if i have them. For now this how it looks assembled.
You can find a replacement bearing at
Detroit Muscle Technologies part # 3748241 4147318
Hope this helps..
Stay safe...
Happy Mopar :)
Arron.
Steering colum A 11_05_20.JPG
Steering colum B 11_05_20.JPG
 
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Hi Arron - thx for the pics. They ARE helpful! So if I understand this correctly, the "bullring" goes on the shaft and essentially secures the lighter coil spring that holds the bearing in place were it acts as the lower bearing support. Mine does have the ball bearings and they appear to be intact. Your description made me go back and look at some pics I took when I first got the car and they do show this bullring on the shaft as you describe. What I cannot tell in any of the pics is how much circumference around the shaft is covered as the wheel was always in the same position when the pics were taken. From my picture showing the bullring, I'd say it looks to be about "7 hours" worth of clock circumference. Is that what these bull rings are or could it possibly have a piece broken off of it (which I cannot find, of course!) and I should get another?

I would also say that your pics show the coil spring stretching down farther than mine did before but maybe my coil spring is shorter or tired or something. Any other pics you mentioned that you could post would be most appreciated!!

I have bought items from the good folks at DMC before so I looked up the two p/n's you noted. I could not locate them on the site. They do show a steering column bearing #CHR 2265656 but I believe that is the one for the top of the shaft near the steering wheel. Could the p/n's you reference have changed? Also, where did you get that dark gray/black column gasket - I think it looks lots better than the white ones. I'm about to mist or dye mine!!

Thank you for sharing your expertise!!
 
Hello Demonx2.
Here are some more pix that I have.
I will check the Invoice (this is were I got the P/N from yesterday) when I get to my shop later today for the bearing I received from DMC. In the 2nd picture is the bag that the bearing came in with the OEM part number. If you google that number there are some on E Bay.
As I remember it was hard to find the part on the DMC website but that is were i got it from.
I believe the Black gasket also came from DMC But let me look for the invoice on that also..
The bearing sits in that cone shaped part the goes in the end of the column.
I could not find any information on how much preload it should have on the spring so I just compressed it enough to hold the bearing into the cone and keep the lower shaft centered and not wobble in the cone.
I feel your pain as when I rebuilt my column I could not find any info on it and thus took pictures for future reference.
Hope this helps..
Stay safe...
Happy Mopar :)
Arron.
Steering Column C.JPG
Steering Column D.JPG
 
Arron - terrific info and pics!! This has really helped me (and hopefully some others) alot. I really appreciate you posting the pics of the parts and p/n's and sharing your knowledge so I just wanted to say THANK YOU.

Based on what you've shown, the bullring I found was not broken but was as intended so I cleaned things up, reinstalled it, touched up the paint, and should be good to go. Thx again!
 

Just to back up what was stated. I restored a 72 Duster column that had that same bearing, spring, C clip retainer. I was on there before I took it apart and was the only reason I knew how it went back together.
 
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