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I have a bunch of model planes from WW2, I acquired them from a very nice Veteran at a Veteran's day rummage sale a few years ago.

They were free to me with the condition that i appreciate them and take care of them.

I figure the best way to appreciate any kind of vehicle is to know everything one can possibly know about it, so who can tell me everything about WW2 planes??

I want to know all about WW2 Tanks too if anyone knows a great bit about them.

There are a lot more than pictured but to give the idea :)
 

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Yeah I know a little about WWII. We kicked Japan's ***.
 
I love those planes! I built many of those same models when I was growing up. I've seen many of the real ones too, at air shows.

I fly Piper Archers these days. I learned in Cessna 152s and 172s. Nothing's like being in the air, especially at night.
 
Everything about WWII planes?
That's a long article..

Suffice to say, US air power was a joke in 1941 and by the end of 1944 we had some of the most advanced piston aircraft ever built.

A short list of what you've got includes:
P-38 lightning (largest fighter of WWII).
F4U corsair (linked by Ben Drinkin).
Grumman Hellcat (Grumman was known as the 'iron works', interesting history there).
P-47 Thunderbolt (amazing aircraft, basically a flying bomber nacelle).
B-29/B-50 bomber (same type used to drop the atomic bombs on Japan).
B-17 Flying Fortress
B-25 Mitchell (look up the Doolittle Raiders, great story. Book called '30 seconds over Tokyo' chronicles it).
Looks like a couple Japanese Zero's, and some spitfires in there too.
Plus the AH-64 apache helicopter, and the P-61 black widow.
 
I always had a soft spot for the flying boats & amphibians. The Grumman Goose & the Consolidated PBY are two favorites used during WWII.
 
did certain ones fly in the pacific and others on the Atlantic side ??? how would I know the difference ??
 
did certain ones fly in the pacific and others on the Atlantic side ??? how would I know the difference ??

Yes.
Though some flew in both.

The B29 is one that was pacific mostly,
The B17s were mostly europe.
F4Us were mostly Pacific.

There's several others. If it was carrier launched, it was mostly used in the Pacific.
 
I see P-61s, B-25s, B-17s, B-24, B-29, Spitfire, Corsair, Zero, P-47s, F6F Hellcat, P-38s.....
 
I love the B-29... (Superfortress)

With its huge front fuselage window and all of the guns on it...

The one named Enola Gay dropped the first nuclear bomb on Nagasaki Japan which helped end WWII...


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Hiroshima, then Nagasaki.

Nagasaki was hit by a B-29 called Bockscar.

The navy and Marines operated mostly in the Pacific, and the army and their air corps in Europe and Africa.

The hellcat, wildcat, corsair, and a slew of bombers operated in the Pacific campaign. The book "Flags of out Fathers" does a pretty good job of hitting the high points and history leading to the war.

The Mustang, thunderbolt, lightning, and another slew of bombers operated in Europe. One of my favorite books in that theater (kinda) was the biography of Roald Dahl, who flew as a fighter pilot in WWII. The book is called "going solo" and his story is pretty amazing. He fought on the European side, flying hurricanes (eventually).

There's a ton of historical books and movies covering the American side and the 8th air force.
 
Hard to see (better pics with better lighting will help my old eyes!)

Top pic, front row, left to right

Looks like F-4U Corsair, B-17 Flight Fortress, B-25 Mtichell and B-25 Mitchell?
Back row: B-24 Liberator (4 engines), P-38 Lightning, F-4U Corsair, maybe another B-25, can’t see the next one that’s silver well enough to guess – maybe another B-24 in a smaller scale – these are all different scales, it would appear)

Second pic front row:

B-25, F-4U, Supermarine Spitfire (note the pretty wingtips), B-17
Middle row – white plane looks like a P-47D Thunderbolt – can’t really see the light blue plane to the right – maybe a F-6F Hellcat?
Back row: B-29 Superfortress, White plane is hard to see – looks like a dive bomber or torpedo plane (looks like a 2 or 3 man cockpit?), blue plane looks like another Navy fighter in the FxF “cat” series – green plane is too fuzzy to make out. Silver plane with black/white vertical bars is a P-51 Mustang, can’t tell what’s past that.

3rd Pic – Two on the left are P-61 Black Widow night fighters. Two in the middle are P-38 Lightings. The Helo looks like an AH-64 Apache (built just across town from us here)

4th Pic

Blue looks like a F-6F Hellcat (though I’d expect it to be darker blue on top)
Green Looks like a Russian plane – LA-5? LA-7? LA-9? But those all appear to have had 3 blade props…

5th Pic

B-17 Flying Fortress
 
One day u should go to the Air Force Mueseum in Dayton Ohio
 
Yeah I know a little about WWII. We kicked Japan's ***.

don't you miss the days we fought wars and actually tried to win them?



in case there are some real buffs on here, I grew up in a part of the Netherlands that was liberated during operation "Market Garden"
there was a road growing up, we all called the corridor, after the breach allied troops cut through the german forces
 
Yes.
Though some flew in both.

The B29 is one that was pacific mostly,
The B17s were mostly europe.
F4Us were mostly Pacific.

There's several others. If it was carrier launched, it was mostly used in the Pacific.

B-29s were late in the war. Before that the Pacific was a mix of stuff but B-24s for heavies. They could not bomb Japan before the B-29s got out. An interesting story (two actually)

"We" the U.S. did not understand the Jet stream, and had to cross BIG mountains when we first started attacking Japan. This was a HUGE drain on fuel "Over the hump." The Jetstream was so fast that sometimes we barely made it there and back

Also a great story is a book called the "Silent Siege" This is the story about Japan and how they tried to firebomb us with reinforced paper automatic balloons. The US govt wanted to keep this secret, both to not cause a panic, and to keep Japan knowing how effective or not they were, and maybe "tell" them what to correct. As a result there were a few deaths.

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One aircraft I see there on your "apron" is a P-61 Black Widow, a very high strung night fighter in it's day. Twin tail booms and engines, looked a bit like a P-38
 
Here's a few links. You have models of some, but not all:

Grumman F3F. This was the Navy's advanced dive bomber and gunnery trainer at the beginning of WWII. There were plenty of them in San Diego and Hawaii when Pearl Harbor was hit. This was the last operational biplane fighter for the US.

P-40 Warhawk. This was flown by the famous 'Flying Tigers' in China prior to WWII.

F4F Wildcat, also by Grumman. This was a carrier born fighter used in the Pacific during the opening period of the war.

F6F Hellcat superceded the Wildcat. Used in the Pacific, also from carriers.

The Vought F4U Corsair came about and flew around the same time as the F6F and through the rest of the war in the Pacific. It went through many changes, and is notable due to the extreme performance of the powerplant as well as the airframe. The radial engines were bulletproof, and supercharged to extreme power levels. It was a pretty docile handling aircraft compared to many others at the time.

Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. Basically a bomber nacelle on steroids. A huge, super/turbo-charged radial engine producing a ton of power. Carried an enormous amount of armor and could handle bomb loads that would rival twin engine aircraft. It had 8 .50 caliber machine guns which also made it a formidable ground pounder.

P-38 lightning. was one of the biggest piston driven fighters of the war. Twin engined and fast as all get-out, it was the brain child of Kelly Johnson (who later on developed the SR-71 and F-117 stealth fighter). It was an aerodynamic marvel and hot-rod that was able to operate at high and low altitude and held quite the armament. Multiple variants were built, including light bombers, camera planes (with clear noses), gun platforms that had their armament protruding through the nose. Though designed as a fighter, it didn't roll as fast as it's contemporaries, so it would often be used for ground attack and bomber interdiction.

North American P-51 Mustang. This plane was designed and built rapidly. It's sole function was as a long range escort for deep daylight bombing campaigns over Europe. It's notable for using a European V-12 water-cooled engine (most US designs favored radials), and having a 'laminar flow' wing which was very low drag, but didn't turn worth a damn. The low drag was necessary for the long ranges. Also issued in multiple models, the 'D' variant was most popular.

The P-61 black widow was flown in both the Pacific and in Europe. It operated primarily as a night fighter. Equipped with early radar and electronic aiming systems. It was never produced in as significant a number as most of the other aircraft, but did fill a niche.

The A6M Zero was light, fast, and small (tough to shoot). It was the foremost adversary in the pacific air war. There are plenty of Japanese planes that flew along side them, but this one is the most notable.

Supermarine Spitfire. Recognizeable due to the elliptical wing planform, which has excellent stall characteristics but is a total pain in the *** to fabricate and repair. The spitfire saw many different version through the war and was powered by a V-12 called the "Merlin" that later powered multiple US aircraft as well.

Then there's the bombers.

The North American B-25 Mitchell was a twin engine light bomber that was outfitted in multiple variants. Including one that housed a 70mm howitzer! They were configured for ground attack with 37mm, .50 cal, and .30 cal guns as well as used for low-altitude penetration bombing. This was the bomber flown by the Doolittle Raiders who departed from aircraft carriers and hit Tokyo barely 5 months after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. It was a near suicide mission, and a huge part of WWII history.

B-17 Flying Fortress was a 4 engined long range heavy bomber. Used primarily in the European theater, though their early operation was in and around Hawaii prior to the war.

I don't see one in the collection, but the consolidated B-24 Liberator was the most produced bomber during WWII. It too was a long range heavy bomber. Ugly as sin, and a wing spar that was prone to cracking, but a workhorse nonetheless.

The Boeing B-29/B-50 Superfortress was the successor to the B-17. It is notable for being the type used extensively toward the end of the war in the Pacific. The Enola Gay and Bockscar dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, respectively, in 1945. They were one of the last piston-driven bombers to be produced by the USA prior to the jet age.
 
don't you miss the days we fought wars and actually tried to win them?



in case there are some real buffs on here, I grew up in a part of the Netherlands that was liberated during operation "Market Garden"
there was a road growing up, we all called the corridor, after the breach allied troops cut through the german forces

It's almost shocking to read the historical documents and accounts from WW2 and compare them to today.

People were much more frank about killing people, even civilians, back when. It's a pretty recent development that we value (or should) 'every' life. Up until the late '60's, anyone who wasn't a business owner was a labor resource or cannon fodder.
 
My great uncle Howard like so many others never made it home. :-(
 

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I have been working on a WWII history project about the Annette Island Airfield in the Territory of Alaska during & after WWII. If anyone here had a family member that served there or has photos or negatives from there please let me know?

It was a US base that was also jointly staffed by the Canadian RCAF since they did not have a base of their own on the west coast.

Here is a scan of one of the 400 or so originals in my personal collection of a RCAF Kittyhawk at Annette;
 

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I have been working on a WWII history project about the Annette Island Airfield in the Territory of Alaska during & after WWII. If anyone here had a family member that served there or has photos or negatives from there please let me know?

It was a US base that was also jointly staffed by the Canadian RCAF since they did not have a base of their own on the west coast.

Here is a scan of one of the 400 or so originals in my personal collection of a RCAF Kittyhawk at Annette;

I have the same problem with the scale model British spitfires crash landing here as well
 

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Hiroshima, then Nagasaki.

Nagasaki was hit by a B-29 called Bockscar.

The navy and Marines operated mostly in the Pacific, and the army and their air corps in Europe and Africa.

The hellcat, wildcat, corsair, and a slew of bombers operated in the Pacific campaign. The book "Flags of out Fathers" does a pretty good job of hitting the high points and history leading to the war.

The Mustang, thunderbolt, lightning, and another slew of bombers operated in Europe. One of my favorite books in that theater (kinda) was the biography of Roald Dahl, who flew as a fighter pilot in WWII. The book is called "going solo" and his story is pretty amazing. He fought on the European side, flying hurricanes (eventually).

There's a ton of historical books and movies covering the American side and the 8th air force.


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Agreed - Bockscar's fuselage is there (or was when I was there about 25 years ago)
The whole plane is there!
If you're even kinda interested in aircraft, the USAF Museum at Wright Patterson AFB is a must see. Totally free, and completely worth the trip!
My grandpa was a crew chief on C40's and often fixed P38's during WWII. He "flew the hump" many times and said that as a crew chief he could do every thing a pilot could do, but he could also replace a fuel pump mid flight.
 
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